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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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    #17972
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101570#Comment_121101570

    Well your figure of jobs created is misleading because Trump lost so many jobs due to Covid and most of them came back under Biden.

    You refuse to accept Covid as a factor in job numbers which is disengenuous in the extreme.

    Trumps job numbers up to the start of 2020 were excellent:

    Median household incomes rose to their highest level ever in 2019, while the poverty rate hit an all-time low. Under the Trump Administration, more Americans were employed than ever before—160 million—and the unemployment rate fell to a 50-year low. The unemployment rates for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Americans without a high-school diploma all hit record lows, while the Trump “Blue-Collar Boom” saw wages grow faster for workers than for managers or supervisors.

    America gained 7 million new jobs

    The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century

    Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years



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    #17973
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101609#Comment_121101609

    "Bbbut COVID" /take a drink "Trumps job numbers up to the start of 202o were excellent:" 😭 It's so unfair a president is president for a full term.

    Well your figure of jobs created is misleading because Trump lost so many jobs due to Covid and most of them came back under Biden.

    Trump lost 5 million jobs

    Biden created 13 million

    Alright: what other Presidents created 8 million New jobs in their first 3 years? 😶

    America gained 7 million new jobs

    Don't know what you are referring to, Trump created zero jobs, he lost 5 million jobs. Biden created 8 million brand spanking, new jobs, in addition to recovering the 5 million Trump lost.

    Median household incomes rose to their highest level ever in 2019,

    You're saying that it began to fall under Trump. Interesting.



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    #17974
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101533#Comment_121101533

    Trump is a bum but his presidency was nowhere near as bad as people make out.

    Just on this.

    There are a few ways to look at this.

    In bland terms of the day to day of his Presidency not a lot really happened that wasn't standard issue GOP stuff in terms of domestic policy aside from his endless efforts at personal aggrandizement.

    His foreign policy greatly damaged US global soft power and his ridiculous trade war with China costs thousands of jobs across the US Economy.

    Then you had Covid where his laziness , hubris ,vanity and wildly unnecessary politicization of events cost thousands and thousands of lies.

    However the worst and most lasting damage from the Trump Presidency is his continuing election denial and lies.

    There are hundreds of people in jail because they fell for his bullsh!t and people died because of it too.

    The US may never fully recover their faith in the Democratic process because of him.

    For that , he can never be forgiven nor allowed anywhere near the levers of power ever again.



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    #17975
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Peter Navarro says everyone in the White House will be facing prison time because Congress held him in contempt and the Judiciary convicted him.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/peter-navarro-rails-against-sobs-who-put-him-in-leg-irons-everyone-in-that-frigging-white-house-is-facing-possible-prison-time/

    For a guy whose whole case rested on asserting the separation of powers this is f0cking hilarious.



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    #17976
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,594 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101649#Comment_121101649

    Where's that heckler when you need her?



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    #17977
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101622#Comment_121101622

    And let's not forget, Trump inherited an economy doing well from Obama\Biden and was able to ride the crest of that wave well into his Presidency. He hit the accelerator with an expansionary fiscal policy. It was not sustainable. Even without covid it was going to cause price inflation or a correction. The only question being would that happen under Trump's watch or his successor e.g. Biden.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #17978
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101609#Comment_121101609

    All those figures have been matched/surpassed by Biden.

    Lower Unemployment , higher household median income , growth in Manufacturing jobs etc.

    The "Trump economy" was already tanking before Covid hit - ALL of his growth rates were lower than any other previous President (Except Bush 2 following 2008).

    He artificially goosed the numbers with his stupid tax cuts which gave things a bit of a dead cat bounce but all of the indicators were going in the wrong direction well before Covid hit.



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    #17979
    BruteStock
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    22 million jobs were lost to the pandemic. Naturally those jobs were refilled when things went back to normal. The lie that Biden created jobs in those numbers is hilarious. Nobody believes that

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/16/unemployment-claims-coronavirus/




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    #17980
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101622#Comment_121101622

    Thats entirely disengenuous.

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/article/covid-19-ends-longest-employment-expansion-in-ces-history.htm

    Heres what the US bureau of statistics has to say

    COVID-19 ends longest employment recovery and expansion in CES history, causing unprecedented job losses in 2020


    In March and April 2020, the longest employment recovery and expansion in U.S. history abruptly ended, with total nonfarm employment falling sharply because of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic and the efforts to contain it. Job losses were historic and widespread. Although state and local government restrictions on businesses and individuals began to ease somewhat after April 2020, total nonfarm employment ended the year 10.0 million below its February peak.According to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Current Employment Statistics (CES) survey, nonfarm payroll employment in the United States declined by 9.4 million in 2020,1 the largest calendar-year decline in the history of the CES employment series.2 (See chart 1.) As with virtually all economic activity in 2020, this decline was due to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, including pandemic-driven social and behavioral changes and government restrictions on business activity.3 While the job losses were widespread, they were greatest in industries that involve people (employees, customers, or both) coming in close contact. The leisure and hospitality industry suffered the greatest job losses, but every major industry lost jobs over the year. (See charts 2 and 3.) Although 2020 can certainly be characterized as a year of extreme job loss, it also saw several months of recovery with historic job growth. In addition, the pandemic affected each industry differently, resulting in considerable variability in employment impacts.




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    #17981
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101709#Comment_121101709

    I suppose the bleach and conspiracy theories about Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates didn't help.

    You jettisoned your remaining credibility when you said Biden is the worst president of all time. I'm going to need some proof for your claim.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #17982
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101709#Comment_121101709

    Explain the fact that unemployment is now lower than it was under Trump?

    Also - If those jobs hadn't come back who would you blame??????



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    #17983
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101709#Comment_121101709
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101714#Comment_121101714

    I wasn't even gonna blame him for the 22 million, but yeah if you wanted to dogpile on Trump, he lost millions more jobs than I gave him credit for in the short term, though many of those jobs recovered inside of 2020.

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    Trump lost the economy millions of jobs.

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    Biden gained the economy millions of jobs. In excess of the pre-Covid peaks the cult would love to fixate about (February 2020). Measuring from the same point of inauguration, he created millions more (Jan 2021, see pic 2)



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    #17984
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,488 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101732#Comment_121101732

    Might be hard to explain if they can't do math.

    A single point in time (the 2020 WaPO article) shows 22 million jobs lost due to the pandemic - article was April 2020, height of the pandemic in the US.

    By the time the election rolled around 7 months later, the economy had rebounded some, and 4.7 million looking for work:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/economy/august-jobs-report-trump-jobs-record/index.html

    I'll dig for the data but it sure seems like the numbers work - Biden's term adding 13 million jobs. Lest we forget, there are new people eligible to work in the US constantly, like 150k/month, kids reaching 18 years old, college grads, ...



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    #17985
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The 2019 path continued after the Covid break,if you take the break out of it's pretty linear growth.

    So this is a continuation of the Trump Presidency's good work.

    Biden is reaping the rewards of Trumps economic policies, I can say that if others say Trump reaped the benefits of Obamas presidency.

    That is logical is it not.

    Bidens economic policies in the first 2 years were very similar to Trumps anyway.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bidens-economic-policies-are-more-like-trumps-than-obamas-11628003140




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    #17986
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101837#Comment_121101837

    The 2019 path continued after the Covid break,if you take the break out of it's pretty linear growth.

    LOL, no. It was logarithmic, not linear:

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    The "Covid Break" is marked in the gray sector.

    If this looks like a straight line put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest for DUI 😋

    Biden inherited Covid that's where we're at now? 😂

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    Clear inflection point at transition of power. Not a result of continuation of policy.

    You're thinking of the smooth, and yes linear handoff Obama afforded Trump:

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    #17987
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Things have just gotten good.



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    #17988
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,193 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    This seems....misguided

    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1701617627536200136




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    #17989
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098499#Comment_121098499

    Whilst I will certainly agree that Biden’s presidency has been by no means the disaster as claimed, and indeed has been reasonably successful, I think it’s also because an extremely low bar had been set by his predecessor so it looks good. I would also quibble a few comments like “debt relief to students”. My wife was looking forward to her $20k cancellation, didn’t get anywhere. The latest attempt is the SAVE system, which replaces REPAYE. It doesn’t cancel any of the debt, just restructures it so that payments are delayed until you earn a higher threshold of income. A good thing in the short term for folks, not really a long term help. I am curious as to how you think Bush 1 started the 1991 war. I have a vague recollection of Iraq invading Kuwait. Had Biden not specifically ruled out the US getting involved in Ukraine, for all we know there may not have been a war for him to have nearly flawless support for. (And the drip drip of weapons is idiocy, though in fairness, most other countries are doing the same).

    I also think you are underestimating the impact of the previous presidencies. Perhaps they are sufficiently far in the distance (I’m 48, and even I barely remember Reagan), but things like nuclear arms reduction treaties or ending the Cold War (or assisting in negotiating the end of the Afghanistan War), reversing the coup in Grenada do have some merit. You may dislike Reagan’s attitude towards the Air Traffic Control Union, but you cannot say he was not decisive, successful, and with the support of the majority of the American people. On the flip side, yes, you can balance it out with the national debt increase, the Lebanon disaster, or Contra.

    Clinton achieved excellent unemployment, high home ownership, low inflation, a budget surplus, Good Friday agreement mediation, reduced nuclear proliferation (in hindsight, in 2011 he said “oops” about that one in regards Ukraine), on the other hand, Somalia was mishandled leading to reluctance in Rwanda, NAS’s budget shrank, and I now need to go to the dentist so will stop…

    You look at more than partisan talking points, you’ll see success and failur from most presidents. Biden has done little to indicate greatness. He has done little to indicate terribleness. He’s been OK. That’s good enough for now.



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    #17990
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/sep/12/trump-indictments-mccarthy-government-shutdown-biden-politics-live-updates

    This will be a pretty quick failure if they pursue it... 😂

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101837#Comment_121101837

    You can't legitimately exclude COVID in metrics, unprecedented things happen while president. He didn't conduct himself well during it and that has a direct impact on how the nation as a whole coped with it at the time. That includes economics but also morale. If he'd handled it well, he would have been reelected. So you can argue his presidency wasn't so bad but you're actively ignoring large parts of it. Insurrections, paying off pornstars, pushing conspiracy theories while president. Endless ****.


    And since he's left the presidency, we've gotten an even clearer picture of his complete moral deficit and unsuitability to have ever been the president of America.


    It's simply incomparable to vague claims of cognitive decline in conjunction with vague claims of being a criminal saving up for retirement.(dementia and the millions)



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    #17991
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101860#Comment_121101860

    Indeed, because they don't even have a whistleblower here. Their 'whistleblowers' all whiffed on them. In the freedom caucus' own arguments they need the inquiry to begin to uncover any evidence. ie. It's a witch hunt, by their own standard.



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    #17992
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101837#Comment_121101837

    Continuation of "Trumps good work" - No not really.

    A continuation of a general upward trend that has been going on for the last 12 years or so , yes.

    Presidents really don't have that big an impact unless they f*ck things up and/or make major policy changes- 2008 was a direct result of Reagan (and to a lesser degree Clintons) de -regulation drive for example , it just took a while for it to hit. The restoration of that growth came under Obama this is a continuation of those changes.

    Trump didn't make any major policy changes other than his tax cuts , which were objectively terrible.

    The US has been on an upward curve for some time , the rate of growth slowed under Trump and his tax cuts are now a contributing component of the current inflationary pressures being seen under Biden.

    Those tax cuts are likely to cause more pain over the next few years as the impact of the lost Federal spending power hits leading to increased borrowing etc.

    If Trump were to get back into Office in 2024 , if he could tear himself away from his revenge mission he would have to try to address those impacts and the standard "tax cut for the rich" isn't going to cut it.



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    #17993
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101860#Comment_121101860

    The penny just dropped for me: he's announcing the inquiry without a vote of the House

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/he-doesnt-have-enough-votes-cnns-manu-raju-says-mccarthy-backtracked-on-impeachment-vote/

    He's spent the last week or two insisting there would be a vote of the house, to ensure the integrity of the inquiry.

    Laughable.

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/mccarthy-slow-rolls-opening-biden-impeachment-inquiry-says-will-take-a-full-vote-of-the-house-to-do-so/

    When it became abundantly clear he doesn't have the votes... ah we'll just do it anyway.

    “To open an impeachment inquiry is a serious matter, and House Republicans would not take it lightly or use it for political purposes. The American people deserve to be heard on this matter through their elected representatives. That’s why, if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur through a vote on the floor of the People’s House and not through a declaration by one person,” the speaker added.

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    #17994
    TedBundysDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden-could-face-impeachment-inquiry-over-family-business-dealings-12959943

    And so it begins. Good news for democratic hopes in 24.



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    #17995
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,193 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102001#Comment_121102001


    In fairness I think Pelosi dodged that initial vote as well for Trump's first impeachment. The thing is that at the end of the day she (as usual) had her votes. With 19 Republican House member's in Biden districts and no real reason to impeach, I'm not sure McCarthy ever will.



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    #17996
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102002#Comment_121102002

     Good news for democratic hopes in 24.

    Indeed, they're more than likely to take the House back now.



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    #17997
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102017#Comment_121102017

    In fairness I think Pelosi dodged that initial vote as well for Trump's first impeachment.

    Which Republicans were apoplectic about. And they just slightly over One Scaramucci ago said they wouldn't take this approach.



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    #17998
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102017#Comment_121102017

    And several have already said that they think it's a terrible decision.

    All it takes is a half dozen GOP house reps not voting for it and it fails.

    Just a stupid stupid move.



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    #17999
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,820 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    WH Spokesperson for Oversight and Investigations:

    The House GOP investigations have turned up no evidence of wrongdoing by POTUS. In fact, their own witnesses have testified to that, and their own documents have showed no link to POTUS.”

    Reminder: McCarthy already said weeks ago on Fox he’d move forward with an impeachment

    An appearance in which he based his impeachment push on non-existent obstruction of a non-existent request

    Why no mainstream accountability for that falsehood?

    McCarthy is being told by Marjorie Taylor Greene to do impeachment, or else she’ll shut down the government

    Opening impeachment despite zero evidence of wrongdoing by POTUS is simply red meat for the extreme rightwing so they can keep baselessly attacking him. They admit it.

    Maybe someone should ask [McCarthy]: Prior to the midterms, you said “the country doesn’t like impeachment used for political purposes” but now you’re doing just that, as Gaetz threatens your speakership and MTG says she’ll shutdown the government unless you do impeachment What gives?

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/biden-white-house-hits-back-at-kevin-mccarthy-being-told-by-marjorie-taylor-greene-to-do-impeachment/




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    #18000
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,193 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102026#Comment_121102026


    No way! I can't believe the Republican Party would behave like hypocrites....



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    #18001
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102046#Comment_121102046

    It's a decision made by McCarthy to help McCarthy and him only.

    He sold his soul to the loons to get his "dream job" and now has to bend over every time the seals clap to keep it.

    This is about McCarthy keeping his leadership seat for a little while longer.

    We'll still have a shutdown next month as they'll find some reason to cause it - Either they'll insist on something crazy being added to the funding request or they'll object to something for a stupid reason.

    So the GOP will shutdown the Government again in an election cycle and they will likely fail to get out of the House on a failed impeachment attempt.

    Both things will hurt them in the 2024 elections , but the loons will love it.



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