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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,259 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There is absolutely nothing attractive about this job, it's a really weak squad and the wages aren't much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,259 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You've no solutions either! People saying oh we'll find a DeZerbi or an Ange somewhere in Europe isn't much of a solution either.

    I just think we're f**ked no matter what we do with this team, they're sh*te.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    This is meant to be a new version of the FAI. That they've stuck with Kenny this long is a bad sign but it's not John Delaney choosing the new manager, they might actually ask for outside help to help them choose the correct man. It would be worth the investment.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    A squad full of Premier League and upper championship players with one of the most exciting strikers in World football emerging. That is very attractive and I'm sure we can up the wages for the right man. We increased Kenny's wages and he was diabolical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,482 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Stephen Kenny is so out of his depth. Statistically the worst Irish manager of all time. That takes some doing considering Steve Staunton was in charge.

    He's a disgrace tbh. If he really cares about Irish football like he claims he'd step aside immediately as he's doing serious damage every game he's in charge.

    This is his last campaign regardless.

    Back to LOI which is his level.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,662 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We could easily be more competitive at least under a new manager. We've been losing far too many qualifiers and Nations League matches under Kenny - a good coach could certainly move us up any group table and see us picking up points that we shouldn't keep dropping.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I just hope Kenny supporters cop themselves on and support the new man. Kenny failed miserably, they need to get over it and let the new man try to recover from the mess he's caused.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    To at the very least get a playoff position for the Euros. To not get that is a huge sign of just how bad it's been under Kenny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I Do.

    Approach Carlsey for start. I think we might be surprised. The reason Southgate got the job was because Big Sam done a Big Sam on it. I can't see Carlsey getting the England job.

    Chris Wilder - 55 now. No reason why he might not want a challenge in international football. He will get us organised and hard to beat but will also be able to get us playing some sort of direct football. Not just passing for the sake of it.

    Dean smith - See above

    Chris Hughton - See above

    Philip Cocu

    Brian Barry Murphy- Head of Man City Elie development u23s

    Javi Gracia - Ok was on PL wages. But ask the question. Possibly another person who would like a challenge.

    There are dozens of manager on the continent then that you could look at.

    The narrative that is trying to be spun by certain quarters that there are no alternatives and we should stick with this failing regime is an agenda. I know certain posters and LOI lads will sneer at the above names but who would they go for?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,259 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Oh please God no I'd keep SK for the rest of his life instead of Chris Hughton!

    Carsley isn't happening but Wilder or the others would probably be worth a shot.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Whoever gets the job it's a risk. There's no guarantee anyone works out. De Zerbi got the boot earlier in his career. What I was saying is there are others like him out there. Why should we limit ourselves to one market? I really hope the new FAI are more open to thinking outside the box. Of course, there are huge doubts about that.

    I really think the negativity around our squad brought on by the Kenny era is what really needs to change. How dare we think we should come close to qualifying for major tournaments, how dare we think we can attract a decent manager, all this nonsense. The last 3 years have been absolute poison. Whoever the new manager is has a lot to fight against but we can only hope he can bring some positivity.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    So you would take abject failure over a manager with decent experience? Hughton wouldn't be my first call but he'd be better than SK. Jim Gavin or Jim McGuinness would be better with a decent coaching setup FFS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    This is the result of Kenny's tenure.

    You can't lose so many games against everyone and keep pointing to the future in mumbled interviews. "But we eh.....it was a eh tough......the french eh tony....ye know are eh good team like eh.........." " We eh have capped eh 20 players and eh that eh bodes well for the eh tony the future you know."

    A **** laughable scenario and situation to find ourselves. Run down the players all we want but run down the manager more. He is out of his depth. He looks like he has never been in charge of a team before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jayus and I thought the diehard Kenny lads on the Ireland soccer forum were dreamers. Fellas like De Zerbi? We might as well talk about winning the lotto.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Is it too much to ask for a manager and backroom team with a modicum of tactical nous?

    Kenny, Keith Andrews and whoever else is there failed entirely to notice that the Dutch had changed formation at halftime the other day, didn't make any subs or positual changes until after the 70th minute when the Dutch were ahead and cruising.

    Imagine being tactically outclassed by Ronald f*cking Koeman 🙄

    That's the most recent example, there have been plenty similar over the past three years (think of the Greeks absolutely shredding us down the wings in the game in Athens)



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,428 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You only had to listen to Andrews on co-comms or as a pundit to realise that he’s another absolute waffler. Useless

    He had been trying to boost his media profile by shooting his mouth off about anyone and anything, Been lambasted in the media by respected former playing colleagues like Seamus Coleman, Roy Keane has called him a bullshitter, O’Neill had a dig at him too. Being wrong is one thing but…. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt….

    So looking at who Kenny is surrounding himself with… doesn’t appear to be much of a winning formula..



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,662 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This is one of my main problems with Kenny. He seems to be a poor reader of the game and makes terrible substitutions. I think part of the reason we keep on losing is because his game management skills are so inadequate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Good post.

    Does anyone know anything about Chris Wilder? What's his style of play?

    I think a high pressing system would suit us.

    I like the idea of a wily old fox type manager also who's a bit out of fashion but would relish the challenge.

    A Pellegrini, Benetiz, Rainieri type.

    I know these are all in employment.

    I like Stephen Kenny but unfortunately he's failed at the minimum requirement and his time is up.

    The performance against Greece is what sealed it for me. I don't like the 3-5-2 formation as it lets teams have control of the wings and that's what Greece did.

    We've had good moments and good performances even recently like home to France and Holland but it's not enough. I think he's been unlucky also with all the wonderstrikes conceded also.

    It would be good to look for up and coming managers who know modern football tactics like box midfield, inverted fullbacks, pressing traps, sweeper keepers and all that jazz.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,645 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It's also down to the coaches the manager brings in to assist them.

    Kenny's best set of results as Ireland manager came when Anthony Barry as his assistant and coach.

    Anthony Barry was quickly poached by Belguim when it became clear he was the football brains behind Ireland, He then moved on to coach Portugal for the World Cup and is now assistant manager at Munich.

    Scotland's Steve Clarke was a highly respected coach who worked under top class managers and big football personalities and got on with the coaching at Newcaslte (Guillt) Chelsea (Jose) West Ham (Zola) Liverpool (Dalglish) befoe going into management himself in the Championship and Scottish premier league with bang average teams before taking over Scotland.

    Kenny has shown his in game coaching match awareness is nowhere near a level needed good coaches have that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    He's not a disgrace. He's a man doing a very tough job that he's probably not good enough to do. That doesn't make him a disgrace and it doesn't make him a bad manager.

    The stats, used the way you've used them, really mean dick all. Staunton had a much, much better squad to choose from. That's not saying Kenny is any better or worse than Stan but the comparison based purely on wins and losses doesn't make a lick of sense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    There are plenty of possible candidates. The FAI need to be careful and not get fleeced though. We'll need to be looking at the Championship and mid European leagues for a candidate. The French League, Belgian League Dutch League etc.

    I still think Carsley should be approached first. If that's not going to happen you then start looking elsewhere. Possibly Javi Gracia.

    I can see zero point in leaving SK there until the end of this group. Things are going to be toxic now that he knows and the players know he is going. It's brainless stuff to leave this regime in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,645 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson



    On Wilder with Sheffield United he played a 352 and actually played a good style of football with overlapping center backs which was very original at the time and he liked to play a fast forward style football played on the ground but wasn't afriad to go long when needed.

    John Egan played some of his best football as a center back under Wilder when they were runners up in the Championship the year they got promoted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    He was getting the most of David McGoldrick too. He played direct ball into him and McGoldrick thrived.

    He played to his players strengths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I think Wilder would be a genuine candidate that everyone can get behind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,645 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    There was a good bunch of Irish players there at the time playing some good stuff..

    Enda Stevens, Callum Robinson, McGoldrick & Egan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Enda Stevens was one of the most in form WB's in the PL at the time. No reason why he couldn't help Manning like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    McGoldrick is a lovely footballer. Shame we got so little of him. Beautiful technique, clever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I agree about pulling the plug on Kenny immediately if the decision is made to sack him. There's no point drawing it out.

    The only thing is that our seeding is a worry and are we better off just sticking with him til November. But what happens if he wins every game? Then we'll have to stick with him til the playoff, if we have one.

    I'd assume the FAI have had a list of candidates drawn up a year ago and maybe even tapped up a couple of them.

    Damien Delaney seems certain Kenny isn't up to it based on analysis in Second Captains podcast.

    Kenny said something about "Holland pushed Gakpo up on Doherty" when in actual fact Holland had changed formation to a 4-3-3. Apparently this is a glaring error but I'm no expert.

    Chris Wilder definitely seems like a good candidate. Maybe he sees it as beneath him since he's managed PL recently.

    We could try Roy Keane as an interim manager and see how he does. I wonder does he travel around to training grounds keeping up to date with modern methods.

    Eddie Howe did this when he left Bournemouth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭rpirl


    Brazil 5-1 Bolivia

    Argentina 3-0 Bolivia

    Who the hell is in charge of Bolivia? He's clearly out of his depth. Must've got it very very very very very very very wrong tactically. These results are not acceptable. Bolivia should be at tournaments.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,022 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Bolivia are usually on a bit of a high when they are at home.

    Estadio Hernando Siles (Spanish pronunciation: [esˈtaðjo eɾˈnando ˈsiles]) is a multi-purpose stadium in La Paz, Bolivia. It is the country's largest stadium, with a capacity of 41,143 seats. It is named after Hernando Siles Reyes, the 31st President of Bolivia (1926–1930).

    The stadium is located in the Miraflores borough of La Paz, at an altitude of 3,637 metres (11,932 feet) above sea level, making it one of the highest professional stadiums in the world.



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