Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

It's Gemma O'Doherty territory conspiracy

McEntee claims “we are introducing hate crime legislation for the first time, which does not exist in this country” which is just false. According to the Irish Times in 2017: “Ireland has one piece of hate crime legislation, the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989.”

This must be what Supreme Court Justice Marie Baker of the Electoral Commission meant about misinformation, that free speech has to be balanced with "the right to not be misinformed". This is the same Justice Baker who chaired a group urging the government to “counteract the spread” of “hate speech”, and was also part of a group whose explicit goal was to challenge “far-right organizing."

They are all lying hypocritical bastards

The 1989 act is about incitement to hatred not about hate crimes. The Minister is entirely correct in her statement.

No. We have no current hate crime legislation.

Incitement to hatred and hate crime are 2 entirely different things.

Incitement to hatred is about acts of hate such as speech, actions, or expressions that promote or encourage hatred or hostility usually towards a specific group of people based on attributes such as race, religion, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation.

It would usually involve engaging in or advocating or encouraging others to engage in hate speech or harmful actions against a particular group.

Its usually about where it directly incites violence or poses a clear danger to public safety.

Hate crime is more about criminal acts committed against people or maybe property that are motivated by bias, prejudice, or hatred towards the victim's characteristics, such as race, religion, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation.

Hate crimes could include assaults, harassment, maybe vandalism or even murder where the victim is targeted because of who they are or who they are perceived to be or perhaps associated with.

Hate crimes are treated more seriously under the law in many countries, resulting in enhanced sentencing such as extra prison time etc.

They are both very different then in law. There has been no hate crime law in Ireland upto now at all.

The proposed law is doing 2 entirely separate things

1 Updating the incitement to hatred legislation

2 Creating hate crime legislation for the first time

Not the same thing at all but if you want to falsely believe they are go right ahead. 👍

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This is why people say that the LGBTQ+= movement doesn't want equality, they want advantage. Specific laws just for them. Assault is assault, regardless of whether is was done because someone hated a certain group or was just random. The reason is only useful for sentencing, the facts remain the same otherwise; someone was assaulted so the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act is perfectly suitable. And if I'm not mistaken, the same law will be used but this new Feelings Hate Crime legislation would add another offence on top of that, just for people in these groups. Great way to make assault victims who aren't in those groups feel less important. It's unnecessary.

Then again, with her comments supporting the No-Confidence Commissioner what else do we expect from someone so inept. What qualifications does she have to make her Minister for Justice? Because she's doing a terrible job and this legislation and her inecessant push to get it passed is the highlight of her ineptness. She claims there's no crisis in AGS so she's obviously living in cloud cuckoo land and anything that she's trying to push should be rightfully questioned and prevented until clarified. Her clarifications amount to "This is important and we need it". Great clarity and leadership right there.

The Marie Keating Foundation isn't happy about the response to their prostate cancer campaign with a biological man who identifies as a woman. People simply stated the biological fact, that women do not have a prostate. Men do. That is a biological fact. To think the proposed hate crime bill would put you away for stating facts makes it worse. Read the Twitter thread to see how they speak. Telling. Complete capture

Doubling-down would seem to be the way to go alright... 🙄

I had a read of the comments under Denise's story and the article/extracts itself and the whole thing about doctors being wrong in their mistaken thinking that they were dealing with a male infant and Denise needing to correct that "error" after great personal struggles is just incomprehensible.

Then when getting tested it had to be redone because the lab actually took the label "female" (presumably as desired) and presumed it to be a testing error - rather than being open to consider the politics beyond the biology.

I mean it, the mental leaps that are being made in the piece are something else!

I sympathise with Denise's situation and am glad they have found peace and resolution, but biological facts are not mistakes and the doctor's weren't "wrong" in their assessment. The way this is written makes it sound like they were almost negligent and undermines the very real point that needs to be made - the need to be aware of the risks of prostate cancer and checks - by muddying the conversation with unnecessary identity politics.

Yet if McEntee gets her way we'll all have to tip-toe around people like this, lest they get offended by being reminded of facts or history.

Yesterday at a United Nations event Varadkar said that Ireland is deeply concerned at the “alarming pushback against LGBTI rights and the rise of violence and hatred towards LGBTI people at home and abroad” he goes on to say how “draconian laws” were being re-introduced in some countries. The irony.

Anyone I know can see that the violence and hatred is coming from the side of TRA. His speech of course is awfully convenient considering the pushback this bill has received. And of course, there is no proof of what Varadkar has said. He quoted Mean Girls in his first address in the first lockdown thinking it was funny ffs. Read the article, infuriating.

But the most important part:

No need for special and vague "hurt feelz" legislation at all. The Gardai are quite capable of handling any issues under existing laws.

No idea what you are trying to say to be honest.