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Russia

  • 24-08-2023 8:47pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭


    Are any Irish people visiting Russia in the last year?

    is it safe to go there if Irish?



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  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I was there in 2019. It was safe. Irish citizens need a visa to visit Russia. I don't think the Russians are giving them out to Irish citizens these days.



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    How do you intend to get there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Plane? im not planning a trip.


    how are Russians living in Ireland getting there?



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    You can't fly there from most European countries at the moment. They're probably going there via the likes of the UAE and Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    If you went there as an Irish person, what would it be like?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭accensi0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,618 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Think there is still direct flights from Serbia. But you’d still need a visa which I’d imagine the Russians have sanctioned for all EU citizens



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    They wouldn't let you in for a start. That would be the reception you'd get from officialdom. The average Russian probably wouldn't care you're Irish.

    I was in Saint Petersburg. It's a very European part of Russia and it felt very European, on the surface at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    How are they ever going to get their tourism industry back? im sure lots of Irish people went there in the past for a holiday.

    what about Irish people living there? are they still welcome?



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    They tried opening up a bit to tourism after they hosted the World Cup. You needed to apply for a visa and you needed a letter of invitation to go to Russia. I was able to apply for a visa online to go to St. Petersburg and didn't need a letter of invitation. The visa was only to visit the St. Petersburg region. I couldn't just decide to jump on a train to Moscow when I was there because I felt like it. I think they had a similar online application process for Vladivostok in the far east of Russia to attract Japanese tourists but you were similarly restricted to the Vladivostok area. If you wanted to go to any other area of Russia you needed to apply for a visa through the embassy. I don't think they were ever too pushed about tourism....especially not these days.

    Post edited by Nigel Fairservice on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I never knew thats the way they normally operate. Its like something from North Korea.

    I wonder have most Irish people left Russia since the war started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,820 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Belgrade -Moscow, plenty of flights just Google for more info. I lived there for a while, was fine once you got used to life style, but now??? Nope ( and I have several invitations from friends ) No way!! Actually, I'd consider it incredibly stupid ( and even the friends who invited me agree) We have seen what happened on several occasion's to Visitors when Putin needed pawns for his shenanigans. Nope, I'll wait until the war is well and truly over, and than see how it goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭davepatr07


    There was a time I was interested in visiting St Petersburg and Moscow, not anymore. No interest in visiting the country now unless the war is over and things settle, which at this stage looks unlikely in my lifetime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭VG31


    I went to Moscow and St Petersburg in 2019 and had a fantastic time. There's zero chance I'd go there now.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Ya, I had a great time in St. Petersburg and would have loved to have visited Moscow and Vladivostok but I won't be going any time in the foreseeable future, if ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Same as that. I went in 2018. I can't understand how someone would want to go now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Would there be many Irish people living there now? or were they advised to leave when the war started?



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    It was never a place Irish people traditionally moved to so I can't imagine there are too many of them living over there. The ones that are are probably married to Russians or have business interests there. I wouldn't have stayed anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I remember a relation of mine was over there playing Irish music a few years ago. I think the Russians used to have a soft spot for Irish people?

    Remember Russia Today had a video on youtube of the 100 year aniversary parade in Dublin of the 1916 rising, its not on youtube now I think, they probably did that because they dont like the UK?



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  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I don't know anyone that moved over there. A guy my Dad knows opened a bar there in the 90s. He didn’t stay there too long due the corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I know an Irish guy who lived there, he would have fitted right in to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There's no particular negative attitude to the Irish there, at least, I never experienced it anyway, on the contrary I always met with a very positive attitude of friendship and good will. And an Irishman will have no problems getting a Russian girlfriend. I got a few marriage proposals while I was there, not that I was either tall or dark or handsome ( I'm not) but I have very good looking passport. The drinking though is on a different level completely, and I knew how to drink ( or at least I thought I did anyway...) Other than that, they are pretty much the same as the Irish, and love Irish Traditional Music. On the other hand, you have the Police, and they like the drinking are something else. You do not want to end up in a police station, believe me. I had that experience once, and I've no wish to repeat it again, ever. but keep out of their way as much as you can, and you will be fine. It's all about knowing and fitting into the system, and you will have great time. Moscow is a fantastic city, and you would never get tired of travelling around it. Even the Metro, is something else. Stalin believed that art belonged to everyone, so everything he stole in Germany, ended up in the metro station's. Travelling outside Moscow or St Petersburg shows a completely different Russia, its the complete opposite of the glamour and glitz you see in the city's. You can travel back in time to how Life was lived 100 years ago. There, the people can be mistrustful of strangers ( and who could blame them?), but that's it, when they get to know you, they are the finest too. Would I like to return there? Undoubtably, but while Putin is in charge? No Way, and even the friends who have invited me caution against coming now while the war situation exists. They do this not just for my protection, but for their own as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Agreed, don't go. Airports around Moscow are closed from time to time due to Ukrainian drones passing on the route to explode in the city centre. So far there were no civilian casualties, but it would be ironic if the OP becomes the first Irish citizen accidentally blown to bits there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Only a prick would go their voluntarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,792 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    Why would you want to go to a place to spend your money to assist the Russian economy?

    Their economy needs to crumble to dust and maybe then the average Russian might cop on to that sham Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Art Fonzarelli



    My daughter was in the US all summer. Considering they're currently occupying a third of Syria, is my daughter a prick? In fact, I'm going to France next week and they've had a military presence in various North African countries for years, I'm a bit concerned. Not just at the morality of visiting France under these circumstances but also whether it makes me a prick or not? I was in the UK two weeks ago, they arm various states including, for example, Saudi Arabia who have been waging a murderous war on Yemen for the last 7 years - I don't know if I should feel bad about spending money within their economy? International travel really is a minefield. Online shopping is perhaps even worse. I bought a pair of glasses form googles4u the other day. They're based in the UK. What an absolute prick I am. Speaking of Saudi Arabia, Irish exports to the dictatorship rose 6% to €465m in the first half of the year compared to 2022 figures, and imports more than doubled to €63m. I'm a prick, my daughter's a prick, my country's a prick.

    Are others experiencing prick-related epiphanies about their deplorable travel destinations, shopping outlets and chosen countries of residence?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    A piss off with your whataboutery.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Art Fonzarelli


    It's not 'whataboutery', it's exposure of rote hypocritical idiocy. Of blind repetition of nonsense. Of the imposition and reinforcement of a cartoon view of the world that serves a minority to the detriment of the masses.

    Piss off with your thoughtless, robotic bouts of verbal diarrhoea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    You're the hypocrite. Talking about war when there is global warming.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have a relative married and working in Russia. He said they see very few visitors from the west now and they have been replaced by people from the middle east and Asia. A number of Irish in Moscow used to meet up once a month for a drink, there used to be enough to fill the pub now there are only 6 of them that go regularly.

    He had a baby recently so some family members have been over to visit him, based on their feedback its not a place I would currently recommend to go on a holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I've several invites to go back there, and I'd love to go. But not under the present circumstances, and I would not advise anyone else to go either, and the main reason for that is because I'd be afraid that after passport control, I'd be arrested, and held as a "card" for Putin to use as he wished. He's already done it with several trusting visitors, and gotten high value Russian terrorists released from US and UK prisons. Don't go! Don't even think about it! Aside from the ever present travel dangers, I'd be thinking about being out and about, and happening to meet a group or even one or two of Putin fanatics, especially if they overheard you speaking English.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015




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    They went to Moscow and Sochi.

    Sochi is mainly a resort near the sea, said it was like any other resort.

    Moscow they said they didn't feel very welcome and that the atmosphere was fairly glum. There is a fairly anti EU sentiment in the city.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,618 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Yea we actually got on well with them for long periods and there was close enough ties. Seem to remember recently enough St Patrick’s day being made into a bit of a thing in Moscow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,618 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Can a person with an IrishEU passport actually get into Russia? How do you travel there? I assume connect from Turkey or even Serbia or something now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Best bet would be to call the Embassy, tell them that you are interested in visiting Russia, and what are the procedures. There are daily flights Dublin - Belgrade, and then flights Belgrade Moscow. So in theory, its doable. Personally I reality would not recommend it at the present time. If and when the security situation changes, yes, by all means. Moscow and St. Petersburg are the main tourist destinations, but google other citys and places of interest, and see if you can find some other places to visit.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes. You need a letter of invite and a visa. They have always flown through Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,618 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I remember a few years ago just pre covid used to often see late evening (Aeroflot)Russian planes in the airport. Obviously was sufficient demand for direct flights to here

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/05/31/aeroflot-launches-new-dublin-to-moscow-service



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    All that ash on the plateau of Gorgoroth is a maintenance nightmare for aircraft engines I've heard.. 😉



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