Garda Representative Association's vote of no confidence in Commissioner Harris

Ya reckon the whole thing is a child care issue eh?

The Gardai is a disciplined force. The Minister of Justice should never have allowed this vote to go ahead and should have told the GRA so.

Despicable post. While I would not totally agree with some of his handling of An Gardai I think he has done a fairly good job. One issue that needs sorting is GSOC

The gardai are a law onto themselves, no pun intended. The GRA have become like militant tendency in Britain. The problem is a supine govt have never stood up to this lot and now they're reaping the whirlwind. I hope Harris faces them down but more than likely he'll have to fall on his sword and some lackey like noreen o osullivan will be appointed and the govt will cow tow again. Shame on them.

60 hours on (in what 5x 12 hours?) and 3 days off is utter shite for a roster and work life balance anyway. who would want to go back to that?

His father didn't get to retire he was murdered by the PIRA.

Members of the PIRA moved on to be elected politicians.

Most of us have moved on since the 80's.

So we are desperately trying to recruit/keep Gardai and they want to make 60 hour collective shifts the norm ??

Good luck.

Totally agree!

They were doing 6 x10 hours. At the moment they are doing 4 x12 hours. It's a work life balance thing and it's working. No need to revert to the old one when this is working fine . Regardless of what your feelings may be towards the Gardaí doesn't everybody deserve to have a life outside of their job?

How does a 10 hour shift work? What way do they overlap the shifts. 12 hours are straightforward. Presume with 10 hours they can double up on staff during the busier policing hours.

I did not say he was not in the RUC. He did not come from the RUC which he came from the PSNI. The PSNI is a reformed police force. And yes of course there is ex RUC officers in it. However when Drew Harris became commissioner if An Gardai he arrived from the PSNI.

You posts are typically if RA and the Shinnors. No acceptance that there is change anywhere, yet you want an united Ireland. You want it on your terms. The simple fact of Drew Harris having joined the RUC a force where his father was murdered while serving in has nothing to do with his service in the PSNI where he served as a senior officer while it was reformed. He did not arrive from the RUC and you earlier reference to the Gestapo tells a lot of your sectarianism.

The vote does not reflect well on the Gardai. It is a kick in the teeth not just to the Garda Commissioner but to the rest of us who pay taxes to support the Gardai. I know a good few Gardai who have had a relatively cushy, protected life and were able to retire after only 30 years on a very generous pension which nobody in the private sector can afford.

There has being attempts to reform the Gardai roster for the last twenty years. Basically working the old shift or the present 12 hour shift puts a lot of Gradai on duty during non peak hours.

12 hours shifts are worse than the old 10 hour roster. The roster is there to serve the public. 12 hour rosyer means a lot of Gardai are rostered nighttime from Sunday evening/ Monday morning to Thursday.

The simple fact is a lower level.of cover is required at certain times not compatible wit 12 hour shifts

No shortage of people wanting to join.

Quote "Almost 5,000 people applied to join An Garda Síochána in this year's recruitment campaign. This is in line with the last pre-Covid campaign in 2019, which shows demand to join An Garda Síochána is as strong as ever. This campaign, which closed on 14 April, will provide a stream of candidates for future intakes."

It is a pity so many Gardai have retired on full generous pension aged only 50. If they had to work to 65 like most others ( or 68 ) it would be a lot fairer system.

Garda recruitment campaign attracts fewer than half numbers than in inflated 2022 (breakingnews.ie)

that must be why they can barely fill Templemore, 5000 people may have filled out a form on publicjobs.ie but how many were suitable for the job in the end ? well now you will have a less well paid less motivated less competent police force .

that's what you want is it ? near 70 year olds walking the beat ? the reality is front line policing is a physically demanding and dangerous contact sport.

People have to work in to their late 60s now in most other jobs and they do not have a third of the pension you have when you retire.

Second point, not many Gardai seem to walk the beat now, there are plenty cruising around in cars and doing office jobs

The OP summed it up well: " Prior to Covid guards worked a 60 hour collective shift before earning 3 days off. This was reduced to 48 with no loss of earnings in order to minimise contact during the pandemic. Now that it's effectively over the one commissioner we've had who is outside of ego and influence who wants to return to the previous arrangement does not have the support of the vast majority of guards." end of quote

"Shure why are'ny you joinin'", say you. None of your business, says I. I could be too old, for 1.

There would be more Gardai walking the beat if they worked the same hours as before covid.

There won't, this has been explained.

Drew Harris himself said it wasn't possible to go back to the old roster due to numbers a year ago and now, with fewer Gardai, somehow it is possible. There are fewer Gardai now than pre covid. We've one of the lowest ratios of police to population in the EU but you've been conned into thinking fiddling around with rosters will somehow fix that.

There are fewer people applying to be Gardai, fewer people completing training, and of those that do, a significant proportion are just turning around and leaving. But again, you think a bit of roster fiddling will patch that up, despite the fact it will now make that problem even worse.

Deliberately ignoring the part where he stated they are unsuitable for police work. You're not engaging in good faith here.

your over the age of 68 you think other people should be doing the job at ? fair play to you ,

there will be less , a lot less given the numbers now planning to exit asap .

but sure ACAB eh?

If you google car surveys you will see Hyundai come out top or near top in most of them.

For example: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2018/07/11/hyundai-is-most-reliable-car-brand-according-to-jd-power-survey

Why did they change the roster over covid?

Again first hand eyeball evidence directly contradicts your google search's i,m sure they are fine for the school run or whatever your up to your self

that Hyundai's are unsuitable for policing, its just one of the many many issues the fact this was raised before they were brought in and many times since then but is ignored by management is another issue

Nope it would be the governments and upper garda managements fault , 6 figure gratuity ? really ? Chief or assistant commis ? coz mine would be less that 60 000 if i make 30 years , and if you were joining today significantly less .

hardly extortionate for 30 years of being asked to put your life and safely on the line

Being overworked and under-resourced for years would do that to you. the population has grown massively and they have less garda if you are comparing 10+ years ago

pop of Ireland is 1m more than 10 years ago with the same number of garda, they also have a ton more paperwork to go through, same for teachers and most public servants, expected to do more with the same level of resources. So if you deal with Garda a lot since 1998 you don't know jack **** about what they have to deal with