Cork library staff being abused and intimidated over LGBT+ books

This is nothing to do with my hatred. But its interesting that you think objecting to the protesters is justified.

Yep because the protesters are violent thugs with a hateful homophobic and transphobic agenda. Anti worker, anti young people, anti education, anti lgbt. This is not about protecting children at all. It is about an extremist hate agenda.

There's lots of books on sex education available in the Young adult section. See post from @Overheal for 1 example. Your bullshìt that there's none has been shown up as drivel.

Erm didnt you just provide a sample of "straight" books that are already banned? Why would the poster try to ban already banned books?

I don't think they are correct at all. Education on sexual matters is a good thing. The idea of shielding young people from sex education is archaic. I believe their motives in doing what they are doing are based on homophobic and transphobic hate.

But do you accept that they can be correct on many things, despite also being neo-nazis (for example)?

Kids need to be educated about sex because sex is a fairly important part of life. I'd prefer kids to be educated about fisting from a sensible book than from a partner, or worse an abuser, trying something out.

Now it's your turn - why shouldn't kids be educated about sex?

"Tentacle porn" ? I mean do you actively search for this stuff ? I doubt if it's a case of " the lads down the pub were chatting about tentacle porn!

Probably in their mid to late teens. At what age do you think people should learn about fisting, bukkake and tentacle porn?

I wonder do these people remember their own teen years? I sure do.

When I was aged 14 to 16 we had dial up Internet and only for that I'm not sure I would've really known how to do it with another man 😅, it's not like I could ask anyone really. I wouldnt even know how to talk about it, how to prepare etc. it's not all that self explanatory and there were no such books, if you physically went to Dublin and into Belong2 you could ask for a little booklet, and that was all very mechanical and a little bit scary and was almost exclusively about the risks associated, pages and pages about HIV. Straight people have it taught to them directly and indirectly from very early on through films and TV shows. For gay people it's only ever presented as a joke, the implication being that you are a joke for liking such things.

There was actually a time when I really thought that I would have to put a condom on to get a bj and that was the only safe method and other than porn I would have thought that was totally the done thing.

Without that dial up I'd have to pretty much rely on what an older gay man told me or showed me, that's a worrying thought. Teen boys generally don't want to come across as naive so will go along with a lot of things. So maybe think about that when deciding to withhold information.

I knew about fisting from the dial up and was sort of fascinated by it from more of a physical perspective than a sexual one, how is it possible etc. I wouldn't have known it existed otherwise. I don't think tentacle porn existed or if it did, it was just outside the realms of my extensive Internet searches, i still dont think its very common tbh. As for bukakke, well that was also a keen interest and very searchable. So I expect the teens of the day are better informed.

The fact that you use the term 'sexual deviancy' to describe butt plug use kinda helps make my mind up about this, i was on the fence for most of this. You characterise yourself as being a more reasonable version of the neo nazis trashing cork library but that's exactly the type of judgemental crap that we really need to move away from, and the type of attitude that was really quite harmful to me and as a teen in terms of my self worth.

You're probably not even gay and you're coming on here bottom-shaming, 'this book is gay' is probably not geared towards straight people. Can you not just leave us alone and keep your abusive comments to yourself?

As for gender ideology, I'm not even sure what that means but posting a video about detransitioning gives me a clue, I guess you've never really known a transgendered person or have the faintest understanding of the issues trans people face. In summary you're here to straight-splain our lives to us, kindly resume circle jerking other phobes and nazis in some other forum since you've no actual knowledge of these topics.

Parent of a trans child here, and it's very clear to me that all of the "concern" has nothing to do with child welfare - quite the opposite.

These so-called "activists" are bellends and thugs, trying to disguise their bigotry as "concern" but they fool no-one with an above room temp IQ. They (if they're old enough, their parents if not) tried to play the same old tune in the 80s and 90s with homophobia, now that that's no longer socially acceptable they found an even smaller and socially weaker minority to gang up on. Bullies. Cnuts of the worst order.

Ironically today's teenagers are very aware of these issues and all have LGBT friends, they don't and won't accept the bullshit certain adults try to flog at them.

My concern is also that if 1 parent wants to let their child borrow one of these books from the library you can be damn sure what book is going to be shown to all the other kids!

Is comment only allowed on the protests themselves or on the reason behind the protests? I'm confused as to what commentary is allowed and what isn't?

If its purely the protests then its pretty obvious that you should be allowed protest but not to the point of being abusive or a danger to other...thread closed?

"normal" is one of those great words that defines itself. Normal things are normal because they are the norm.

I know there are those that are hellbent on redefining what words mean these days, but thankfully words have an actual meaning, that's how people communicate effectively. You wouldn't have been able to perform your ad hominem attack without us both understanding what words mean, for example.

Jaysus. Talk about jumping through many hoops of linguiistic pedantry to prove some non existent point. "Deviant" and "Deviancy" are very very often used in a homophobic context. The poster was absolutely correct to call it out its use.

Exactly. Using language about "sexual deviancy" in the context it was used in this thread couldn't be anything but homophobia.

It's homophobic language. We know homophobia. We don't need to be straightsplained with bùllshit linguistic pedantry.

We don't need to bring out any dictionary. We are perfectly capable of what is and isn't homophobia and don't need to be "educated" thanks 👍

Right bye 👋

The knives in the hanging dummy surely warrants an arrest? This is a violent threat.

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These library attacks are about attacking free speech, censoring lgbt educational books, faux "concern" for children and outright pedalling of homophobic and transphobic hate.

Well if they are determined to educate their parents with an authoritative reference, yes.

Well kids tend to know how to get the information as a matter of course, parents are still wondering where the C: prompt hides.