Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Correct me if im wrong but wud a farmer be better of with 100 at 7500 or 115 at 6500 saying his farm is maxed out i believe the meal usage is the same for both per cow.

Done my sums again the farm wud have the same milk output for either group but total meal usage wud be 15 tonnes less with the 100 cow group plus all the other costs thats per cow calf tags. Milk record dosing etc etc and if inastructure was needed the 100 cows wud definetly be a no brainer

But you need cows capable of milking that in a bad year as well as a good year. Will this effect your solids. If you go even a litre over you need to export a lot of slurry. As well processors will not want lads drying off early or calving late so there is early and late season quota to be filled.

High yielders negate all this.

Yea i think he's confused in that he thinks he can milk 3 cows to 1 high producing cow, when in reality its 3 to 2.6. I also think he's high on concentrate fed . I produced over 630 kgs a cow last year with 1.5 tonne fed a cow.

Yeah know what you mean but I doubt they will allow that, be a case of have enough separate storage or it doesn't count I'd imagine

Now now everyone knows you only have to have them if you have high yielding cows ..... there's no other costs except meal in dairying...... For the hero's .😬😁😑😉😉

The penny will drop with these farmers after a while. Milk price will always vary with peaks and troughs. It a matter of not getting carried away with peaks and managing the troughs. It will still be very profitable.

What will change will be that working outside your derogation limit will be challenging. The Fertilizer register will over time force the physical export of slurry as opposed to paper transactions that happened sometimes in the past. The reason for this is lads that took slurry on paper before will find it limits there ability to buy fertilizer especially P&K. Farmers with low stocking levels have lower artificial fertilizer requirements. The slurry imported will eat into there P&K allowance. It will be much the same with tillage importers.

In areas where dairying is very intensive export of any volume will be hard to do.

I know a few miserable little gits hoing around there farms are kips by the way anyway they are looking to be paid to take slurry

I know of two farmers looking to be paid to export slurry. They see it as a valuable commodity as @Bass Reeves points out, but they don't see they are over and above what they are permitted to have which means it's now a waste product on their farm.

No. I mean the guys exporting. The new lower limit of 220kg N/ha will push these 2 farmers over the limits, and are trying to export slurry to bring them back down and compliant. One lad is looking for €30/1000g. Don't know how much the other lad is looking for.

Thats worse than the guys looking to be paid to take it ive never heard of any pigmen looking for money once they got maps

I got pig slurry years ago. Admittedly I paid but no maps or herd number given. My tank was empty in April and it was very wet spring. I paid 60 euro for 7k gallon loads put straight into the tank.

Doing the calculation of the cost it was was just a bit with break even after spreading compared to artificial fertilizer value to replace it. Was the farmer spreading as well as exporting.

Slurry will be a bit like calves when there is rakes of it around the price will drop.

Pig slurry around me is free if you collect it yourself. There's a €120/6k gallons delivery charge otherwise. Either way you give your herd number for the import/export forms.

In my story above, the farmer exporting is doing nothing bar selling the slurry. If you want it you pay for the slurry and pay for the spreading of it.

Youd be cheaper buying fertiliser than buying a spreading slurry

If you are well into top band, may as well keep going and adjust sr.

If you are on the line, 6200L, and settled herd more or less it would be worth making the adjustments to stay in middle band. Only worth being in the top band if you are well into it.

Talks of extra cost for slurry cubicles etc only comes into it imo if it has to be added. If you have it in place already its not gonna be pulled out because you have less cows...

Harder decisions for those who need to invest regardless of numbers due to age of infrastructure etc. as generally the few extra cows help pay for it

If infrastructure is good already its simply a case of seeing where you stand and make the call re more ground or less cows