Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Yep. Agree.

Thread has jumped the shark with political rants and anti Ukrainian comments..

Depressing.

As you have blocked me apparently you won't see my reply. However yet again you imply I made a personal atrack.

THIS IS A LIE. And you and another poster have repeated it again.

I critiqued the post because it used an article with no relevance to the thread, and from a known right wing writer, whomI and others do not rate because of the poor show he made as a politician.

I am perfectly entitled to express this and othet opinions as freely as you and others here do of other politicians.

Now you never answered my question..

What imported culture wars?

What and who were you talking about when you said this bs, and ran away with your nonsense and outrage on behalf of Michael. MC Dowell?

Is it time to combine this thread with the immigration thread, it’s ridiculous to pretend they are completely different subjects

Or lets change this ....

Imagine it wasn"t a stabbing of an asylum seeker or anyone by an asylum seeker and those anti immigration were" wound to the sky " ...as they were , without knowing who they were talking about !

That’s two stabbing incidents in the last week the media has buried.

Please someone make it make sense???

Maybe read the opening post on the Immigration thread to see why it was separated in the first place .

So there is nothing else except vegetation outside of cities?

What you're essentially suggesting then is that we should use any and all non-residential space (even if it means repurposing it) in towns and villages and regardless of consequences to continue this Welcome wagon?

Here's a crazy idea - Let's not!

Those same towns and villages already deal with things like lack of investment, poor infrastructure and services, and general decline. Adding in a few hundred refugees to these sorts of places will only make those problems worse AND create other problems obvious to all except advocates like yourself it seems. Also, do the actual natives and residents of these places get a say in this, or should they just shut up and "do their part"?

We can't support the ones already here, can't get a handle on the problems it's causing, and yet your idea is to just keep packing them in! It's not just ridiculous, it's lunacy.

I would argue that the anti-refugee protesters are the real narcissists in that their world view is all "me, me, me" and not what they can do for other people. I don't buy that they are deeply concerned about "our own" either i.e. other Irish people. They sound like the biggest Nimbyists on the planet and as if it they couldn't give a hoot what happens to other Irish people, never mind refugees.

Admittances rose between 2018 and 2019 due to a surge of Venezuelan asylum seekers, highlighting the economic and political crisis in the country which continues today.

It is an issue and an unfortunate reality. My point is that any Irish government has to plan for a rapidly growing population : saying "We'll just stop the population from growing" is no sort of a solution to pressure on services and infrastructure (the Govt may as well start putting on TV adverts encouraging everyone to emigrate at that rate).

@Bobtheman The problem with 'just turning people down' is that you have to stop people coming off planes and detain them, then by the time they have been interviewed and assessed for deportation if you are seriously talking about this, they have legal reoresentation and are appllying to the HighCourt. Then you are down the same road and long months of pricessing claims, but much more adversarial and needing security and accomodation.. detention centre style

Of course it can be done but it doesn't work out easier in the longterm.

High immigration and lack of integration in communities might have been the trigger for Brexit in the UK , but are they any further along with their flights to Rwanda and their floating refugee centres after all the bluster, and now years post Brexit?

And the misery and bad feeling, not to mention reputational damage to their human rights profile internationally?

I think the radicalisation of Islam and the bombings and mass attacks in London and Manchester had as much to do with Brexit as anything else. Can you can't blame the English for that really?

It changed the ordinary people and created the Little England against all the rest mindset. As in the 1980s after the IRA bombings.

But they allowed their immigrant communities to settle nto ghettos in large cities, allowed discrimination and racism to fester, inequality of education and opportunity and lack of integration with whole communities allowed never to learn the language or mix with other cultures. Through fear as well as lack of supports.

This led to increasing distrust and marginalisation, ripe for AlQaeda and jihadi indoctrination.

Thats what we have to avoid even if we manage to reduce numbers,