Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours/Champions League Thread 2024/25

LeBash · 16-09-2023 4:59pm

Ill take that but it was harsh as hell penalty.

OneColdHand · 16-09-2023 5:00pm

Yesssss!

listermint · 16-09-2023 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121119081#Comment_121119081

Not for me. Definitely a peno, took all of Watkins and if he caught the ball at all it was a brush. Then he took all of the ball after Watkins was down.

Poor defending tbh he took a risk and it didn't work out. Too slow and he couldn't get to the ball first.

Cut and dry.

listermint · 16-09-2023 5:05pm

3 .!!!

LeBash · 16-09-2023 5:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121119107#Comment_121119107

If that happened the other end, we'd all be fuming.

listermint · 16-09-2023 5:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121119120#Comment_121119120

No chance, sorry but the commentators were full of it. He took Watkins first and heavily too.

listermint · 16-09-2023 5:08pm

Ref called the peno straight away then var Valley the peno after 3 minutes. What more does one need.

Bounty Hunter · 16-09-2023 5:12pm

You could say that penalty was fortunate and 3-1 is flattering and I would not argue with you but...

Villa were the better team today, kept fighting right to the end, scored 3 goals and got 3 points!

and that strike by Duran...so sweet!

Patser · 16-09-2023 5:38pm

Wtf - left a kids birthday party at 80th minute, phone dying from no charge...

Driving home and Today fm news says Aston Villa 1 Crystal Palace 0, sorry we meant Palace 1 - so wasn't sure if they meant 1-1 or won by 1.... then charge phone and see result. Looks like I missed something special

CSF · 16-09-2023 6:33pm

I thought in real time in the stadium that it was a harsh peno and that he got the ball. But having watched a replay, it’s like a 2nd motion where he gets the ball, after he’s already fouled Watkins.

As for the performance, the epic late comeback papers over some serious cracks. Having 2 defenders on the same side whose most valuable qualities are not defending, is a bit of a recipe for a heart attack.

artanevilla · 16-09-2023 7:10pm

Only saw the highlights but looked a penalty for me, he got the ball but took Watkins out to do so. Watkins was already upended by the time the Palace lad touched it.

pavb2 · 16-09-2023 8:02pm

Fantastic comeback but I would have had no complaints if we had lost because in the first half we just weren’t clinical enough.

Anyway delighted we won and quite a few games coming up.

listermint · 17-09-2023 10:03am

That was a big win yesterday, its the type of stuff that simply doesn't happen to us .

CSF · 17-09-2023 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121121193#Comment_121121193

Only thing I could compare it to was Sheff United 3-3 in the promotion season. Truly came from nowhere.

Bounty Hunter · 17-09-2023 5:34pm

Hope we see a lot of rotation on Thursday.

I know Emery takes it seriously but with Chelsea on Sunday and them being beatable, being a team we hope to finish ahead of this year, and one who have no European football themselves I would hope some of our bigger names get a rest.

Duran, Tielemans, Dendoncker, Bailey to start at least. Lenglet gets a run out (afterall that is what he was brought in for surely) and Moreno gets brought on at some point.

Those should be almost guaranteed. Maybe Revan gets a start as he did against Hibs, then Digne can be rested for Sunday and the same could be said for Chambers with 1 of Cash or Konsa at RB / coming on to let the other have a rest. Now that I mention it Kellyman also got a start that day.

So something like this with Moreno for Revan on the hour

Cash for Konsa and Kamara on for McGinn around the same time.

If we are not winning I could see Diaby/Zaniolo for Kellyman and Watkins for Duran in the last 20m

Infact I would not be surprised given how seriously Emery takes it if Zaniolo starts and if things are going well then the likes of Kellyman could come on for him if not Diaby gives him a rest on the hour.

CSF · 17-09-2023 7:15pm

Get the logic since players can’t play every game, but Legia away will likely be no walkover.

GHOST MGG · 17-09-2023 8:07pm

We are going to have to go close to full strength to beat legia..as CSF said they are no mugs

Panrich · 17-09-2023 8:51pm

I think I saw that Kellyman is ineligible. I think that’s because a youth player must have been at the club for two years and he hasn’t.

LeBash · 17-09-2023 9:24pm

Has Duran played a game where he hasn't got a yellow card yet?

CSF · 17-09-2023 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121123445#Comment_121123445

Like, guys of the quality of Tielemans should play. Moreno should play for fitness. Duran has likely earned a start. Bailey and Zaniolo should play.

I guess I would go Martinez, Cash, Moreno, Konsa, Torres, Kamara, Tielemans, McGinn, Bailey, Zaniolo, Duran.

Rests for Luiz, Diaby and Watkins ahead of a tough game at Chelsea. Although having seen Emery against Hibs, I do not expect him to rotate that much.

Bleating Lamb · 17-09-2023 11:23pm

Am a Utd fan and am impressed with yere start to the Season.Emery hasn’t taken long to get a cohesive attacking team together.

From a FPL point of view,I already have Watkins in my team and happy enough with him getting assists.Has he looked like scoring much at all so far or has he just been unlucky in that department?

Thinking of bringing Diaby into my midfield and possibly Digne in as he seems to be doing a lot of attacking.

Appreciate anyones thoughts on how above lads are performing.

CSF · 18-09-2023 12:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124220#Comment_121124220

I’m surprised you’re impressed. I haven’t been. Think we’ve put in 2 good performances, shat the bed twice and one below average one.

In terms of Diaby and Watkins, it’s not difficult to see how they’re likely to be important to the team with their qualities and roles. Both should have big seasons.

artanevilla · 18-09-2023 9:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124220#Comment_121124220

Watkins will probably get into double figures but he's not a 20 a season striker. Diaby will get a few goals from midfield, Digne I wouldn't be sure as he will be in and out of the team for Moreno probably.

pavb2 · 18-09-2023 9:30am

I think Diaby’s our most exciting player at the moment, I tend to have a bet on him to score or assist. In his short time Zaniolo looks a handful for defenders and has settled into the pace of the game, he laid a great pass on to Cash on Saturday but needs to convert his efforts into goals or assists.

the two most talked about players on here are Bailey and Ollie I Agree with others about Ollie it’s unlikely he’ll get more than 20 goals a season. if you appreciate his hold up play and workrate that’s fine but for me he squanders too many chances. When you look at how Diaby took his offside goal on Saturday compared to Ollie’s one on one you can see the difference in quality.

circadian · 18-09-2023 11:18am

Diaby is on my FPL for sure, he's top tier stuff. Digne has got off to a good start but will get rotated with Moreno now he's back from injury. I wouldn't have Watkins on my FPL team, not yet anyway. If he scores in a few games in a row then I'd take a punt as he could be on one of his runs but so far, he hasn't scored in the PL in ages.

CSF · 18-09-2023 11:21am

I can’t see Digne being a starter once Moreno is back to his fitness levels. Beside Mings it might have been more achievable, but Digne and Torres together on that side, is a bit of a recipe for disaster. Teams will target that side for attacks.

listermint · 18-09-2023 12:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125158#Comment_121125158

Has he not delivered majority of our assists this season?

pavb2 · 18-09-2023 2:04pm

One thing I’ve noticed with Cash and to a lesser degree with Digne is they have a great ability to take the ball done from a long pass and control it first time Cash did it a number of times on Saturday.

It will be good to see Jacob Ramsey back as we miss his driving runs through the centre of midfield especially as we’ve also lost the energy of Buendia.

CSF · 18-09-2023 2:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125500#Comment_121125500

He has, he’s been good from an attacking perspective. But he absolutely needs someone beside him who is really solid defensively because he’s not reliable in this regard. And Torres isn’t. At least not yet.

CSF · 20-09-2023 7:37pm

Konsa new contract confirmed. The Watkins contract remains a point of concern.

pavb2 · 21-09-2023 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135418#Comment_121135418

Thats up Summer 2025 so they need to start moving on it.

The European group campaign starts tonight I think a draw would be a very good result also gives some of the squad players valuable game time.

LeBash · 21-09-2023 11:33am

Chelsea haven't beaten a team from the top 10 in 500 days was a thing I heard today. Sounds crazy.

CSF · 21-09-2023 11:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137639#Comment_121137639

Have a feeling it will be Sunday that they do

CSF · 21-09-2023 5:52pm

Sooner the better we've stopped talking about Digne's assist and start talking about how badly he needs to be on the bench. Get in Duran!!!

circadian · 21-09-2023 6:26pm

Rocket.

CSF · 21-09-2023 6:38pm

Digne and Lenglet has looked like well ehhhhh. Digne and Torres. May be time to start sticking bets on the right sided attacking players against us for each game to find some way to ease the pain.

LeBash · 21-09-2023 6:58pm

We're making Muci look good tonight.

CSF · 21-09-2023 7:10pm

So many other considerations in play in many scenarios, but I can’t get away from how much worse we’ve looked this season than from when Emery came in last year.

Panrich · 21-09-2023 7:21pm

Nobody putting their hand up here.

listermint · 21-09-2023 7:32pm

Some miss by Ramsey there.

CSF · 21-09-2023 7:44pm

I miss 22/23

pavb2 · 21-09-2023 10:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121140040#Comment_121140040

It’s mad because before the summer signings the team were playing well and practically picked itself, I suppose injuries play a part and we do need to evolve. Anyways early days and tonight’s result means we just need to beat Warsaw at home.

Given the European matches I think it would be optimistic to think we’ll finish higher than 7th this season which I think is ok providing we have good cup runs.

LeBash · 21-09-2023 10:39pm

The changes at the back aren't helping. Konsa, Mings, Carlos, Torres, Lenglet, Chambers, Cash, Digne (Moreno to add soon) plus the movement between 3/5 or 4 at the back and the positional changes (Konsa and Chambers have played RB and CB, Torres LB and CB) probably makes up close to 10 different combinations and we've 8 games played. It's mostly injuries and some rotation (which is expected) but no way is it ideal.

pavb2 · 22-09-2023 5:07am

Yes you could argue that injuries are part of football and it’s up to Emery’s skill as a manager to deal with them.

On the other hand I’d say our injury list is slightly above average with Mings and Buendia out for the best part of the season. As well as those two Ramsey,Carlos & Moreno would also be starters.

CucaFace · 22-09-2023 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121140040#Comment_121140040

Last season away from home we got a good few very lucky wins it has to be said. Poor misses form the opposition in games at nil nil which had they gone in would have made it very difficult for us last season.

This year the opposition aren't missing and so far away from home we have been truly woeful, especially at the back. Thats 11 conceded now in 3 away games if you exclude Hibs who are basically a league one side at best

Emery is top class, but has been very naive in a few games this season with regards to our defensive set up.

Saying that, we should have had enough to win that game last night but we seemed to be have turned up thinking we would walk it and never got into the fight at all. Poor all over the park.

Another issue is trying to get Tielemans into the side is proving to be very difficult as he doesn't seem to match what our CM is set up to do.. he was woeful last night as well as the entire back line it has to be said (why we got rid of Young and kept Chambers is beyond me).

CSF · 22-09-2023 1:41pm

Injuries are a major part of why things aren’t what they were in the first half of 2023.

That team featured Mings, Ramsey, Moreno and Buendia as star performers. They haven’t been there at all. Most of that is just bad luck. Sure, you would like guys like Tielemans and Torres to just slot in and be stars but unfortunately it very frequently doesn’t work that way.

Bounty Hunter · 22-09-2023 5:22pm

After 5 premier league games last year we were in 19th... now we are in 7th.

I get that things have not been amazing to start the season but from what I am taking from what your saying is that Villa should be able to improve on what we currently see.

Players are still gelling with their new team mates and with Emery's plan, a plan that no doubt has been set back by those injuries (would not be shocked if he had 3 at the back in mind for more games). Ramsey and Moreno are coming back to fitness. Duran is starting to prove himself as a good option.

I still see us doing well in Europe. Hopefully that match (which did see a lot of rotation) will be motivation for them to take every game seriously and to want to prove themselves more against Chelsea (who are very beatable...but a point away to would not be the worst).

CSF · 22-09-2023 6:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121144073#Comment_121144073

Yeah, like I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Oceans away from where we were this time last year with Gerrard at the helm and knowing that he was not the guy.

Emery is clearly the man for the job. I just think that there’s some mental adjustment to be done from starting to buy in to the idea that Villa might push their way into the top 5 this year, to us looking every inch like a 9th-13th team which has been the expectation for some time now.

To clarify, I’m not pinning the blame on anyone. It’s not Emery or the transfer committee’s fault that Mings and Buendia did their ACLs and ended their season before they could even complete one half of football. This in itself; basically meant Villa had to readjust their expectations for this season.

The only criticism I would make is that I don’t see the logic behind the Torres signing pre-Mings injury at the moment (would have made more sense of it happened after the injury). It’s hard to imagine a scenario at present where he would ever have taken Mings’ place in the team and he doesn’t appear anywhere near athletic enough to play LB.

CSF · 24-09-2023 12:45pm

Quite nervous about today. Our left hand side is a big area of weakness and I’d anticipate Digne and Torres continuing there.

OneColdHand · 24-09-2023 1:07pm

The team is as expected, with the exception of maybe Zaniolo. Thought there would be a more defensive player than him in either central mid or central def.

As always though, i trust Unai!

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