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Serious accusation by a neighbour

  • 18-09-2023 11:24am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭


    Hi all,

    I had a very serious allegation made against me by a neighbour last week (slanderous/defamatory), that was passed onto me via my landlady and the management company of the apartment block.

    I was away on holidays at the time the incident took place, so luckily I have streams of evidence that it was not me.

    Currently, the management company have apologised and are going to notify the neighbour that she has the wrong person/apartment, but it does not sit well with me that she made this very serious complaint and was wrong. Apparently she was also banging on my door shortly after the incident took place.

    What are my rights in following this up if I choose to? Do the management company have to tell me who made the accusation if I ask, or can they only tell me this if I go the legal route?



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    If you don't know who it was, how do you know she was banging on your door? Or that it was a woman, for that matter?

    I doubt the mgmt company will tell you who it was, and unless you can prove it was done maliciously, you don't have much grounds for defamation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    OP, is it possible that someone else was using your apartment, while you were away?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭scdublin


    The management company forwarded on the complaint where the accuser mentions banging on the door and receiving no answer. I don't know for sure it was a woman but I guess it doesn't really matter if they were male or female when it comes down to the complaint.

    Yeah I don't think I could prove it was malicious - I do think they should be held accountable for being completely wrong to the point of coming to my door, submitting a complaint against me and threatening to involve the gards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭scdublin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    What injury has been done to your reputation? Who thinks any the less of you because of this incident? How has the injury to your reputation affected you?

    There's no legal remedy for hurt feelings. You need to show concrete ways in which this inaccurate accusation has caused you injury.

    Post edited by Peregrinus on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭ottolwinner


    what Do you want out of all this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭jj880


    Since you have an airtight alibi - dont tell us half a story - what were you accused of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    I find many people in this country vastly overestimate what counts as legally defaming someone.

    Complaining about someone to an apartment management company is not defamation, especially when they promptly admitted it was a mistake. Move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    OP, if it is a serious allegation I think you should have a word with the gardai, tell them what happened and ask them to make a note of it. Also inform the management that it has been reported.

    It could be that someone has it in for you, so it's better that everyone knows that that person makes up porkies, especially the gardai, before you're accused of something for which you don't have an alibi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    'Streams of evidence'.

    Drama queen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Chill out.

    Why do you care so much about what everyone else thinks?

    Life is short. Worry about the stuff that matters.

    It's not serious. It's just an accusation.

    Perhaps it's time to take a deeper, more meaningful look at yourself and ask how you can be a better person.

    For example, by asking yourself "how can I put this aside and move along with my life".

    Perhaps get into the lotus position and meditate for 45mins.

    Channel all that negative energy out of your body, mind and soul.

    Get onto meetup.com. Find a local group that you can join so that you can get a life.

    Do follow my advice.

    My name is not Russell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Yes they should be held accountable about for being wrong. They banged on a door, of an unoccupied apartment. They could apologise to the door.

    Not sure what else you are expecting. They thought you did something, you were supposedly away. so they've been told it wasn't you. If this were actually a very serious allegation, the guards would be involved. Most likely it's something trivial like a noise complaint or parking in the wrong sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭hkjohn


    If someone bangs on an an apartment door and there’s no one inside to hear it, can it really be said to make a sound?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭wandererz


    It's an apartment. There are interconnected walls and doors.

    Reverberations reverberate.

    In this case the other apartment residents should take a case against the person banging on the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    A very serious allegation was made according to the OP. My assumption of that would be a criminal allegation of some sort, and that's why I gave the advice I did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 anonymouscactus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    What legal retribution are you hoping for OP? A public apology? Some money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    OP if you don't think it could be proven that it was malicious then I don't think you have a leg to stand on. I work in an environment where we get whistleblowing of potential wrong doing. Part of the fundamental process is that an assumption is there that all accusations are made in good faith & that there is no retaliation of whistleblowers due to this. Only if there is overwhelming evidence that the complaint was malicious in nature would we pursue that. It's very difficult to prove malicious intent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    OP had you other interactions over similar incidents where you were actually at fault previously

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭ratracer


    The door was assaulted…….and needs urgent redress!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,426 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Has there been anything in the past between you and this neighbour that might cloud your judgement of the current incident?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Nothing in the OP suggests that the complaint was malicious. It was just wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am not quite sure if the OP stated that. The OP stated that he was not informed on who made the compliant however in the first post he referred to the complianant as ''she'' continually. I suspect they have had interactions with someone in the apartment complex before.

    Maybe even there alibi is suspect it very easy to turn on Alexia full blast remotely for a few minutes

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I don't know why people are assuming the allegation is playing music too loud or something. That would not be a 'very serious allegation' in anyone's book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I suspect he has a fair idea who it was. Probably someone who has taken a dislike to him and that's why he should protect himself if he is in the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If the alleged incident was raping someone in the apartment, for example, then surely the complainant would have called the guards rather than banged in the door?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭bobdcow


    I would say that the minimum that the OP should get is an apology from the neighbors. For what ever reason it was, the neighbors got it wrong and made an accusation. There has to be consequences for this type of behaviour and I'd say an apology is the least the neighbor should asked to give.

    Neighbor got it wrong and needs to apologise to the OP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I say OP has a issue with the neighbor. They would want to be careful. If I was the LL and it was becoming hassle I be looking for a way to get them out.

    You do not go around looking for apologies off neighbours, live and let live. I somehow think there is more to this. OP has probably being pulled up by this neighbor over something and see this as a chance to get even

    They want to be careful they do not p!SS off there LL

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Some people think everything is a serious issue.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Tomw86


    If it is dropped then no issues but I would ask the Management Company to please document this officially in case of any further issues.

    Even if it was something along the lines of 'In relation to the complaint made against (your name) on xxxx by another resident we note that upon investigation this complaint/accusation was false and made against the incorrect party.'

    Personally I would then consider bringing it to the local garda station just to have it documented there also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    I know. That's what I was trying to say. Most places will have a policy of no retaliation for a report made in good faith. Malicious reporting of something would need a lot of evidence behind it (history of harassment, repeated reporting of same person etc) and even then it's risky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    My point is that the question of whether the OP can prove that the complaint was malicious, or how they would prove it, doesn't even arise unless the OP things it was malicious. And they OP hasn't said that they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    OP has said it was serious, but they are pretty lax on the details.

    Depends on what the accusation was. Falsely accusing somebody of assault is very different to playing music after 10pm. There is clearly information being withheld.

    Documented by the cards how? It a complaint to the owners corporation, involving the guards is a bit ott.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Oh god you aren't this moaner who's door was broke and it "ruined" your Christmas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭scdublin


    A lot of assumptions here so let me clear some things up.

    1. I have zero issues with any neighbours, have been living here for 6+ years. Never had any complaints made against me and have never made any complaints against anyone.
    2. I was accused of recording videos of children/taking pictures of children, and also being "anti-children".
    3. The person who made the accusations has not apologised, I don't know who they are. It was the management company who apologised.
    4. My "alibi" is that I was literally not in the country when the incident took place. I'm assuming the person mistakingly worked out the apartment from the ground floor and got it wrong. So yes, most likely not malicious at all but still a very big mistake to make.
    5. I am not looking for drama - this accusation was brought to me. The least I would like is an apology from the person who made the accusation. I don't think that's asking too much but most likely won't happen.
    Post edited by scdublin on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭hkjohn


    It was a joke. Think trees falling in the forest and take it from there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    It is as you said originally a very serious allegation and shame about the 'after hours' like responses you have received.

    It's a very weird one and if it was me I would want answers to a lot of questions.

    1. What evidence was there? - Did the accuser see someone with a camera or see photos?

    2. Was I mentioned by name, by description, or simply by apartment window guesswork by the accuser?

    3. How can I be accused of being anti-kids? What is that based on?

    The fact they said 'anti-kids' in general makes me assume they know who you are, at least they know your face and have taken a disliking to you.

    My original advice stands. Talk to the gardai and ask their advice and ask them to make a note of it. Basically just let it be known that you went to the gardai first in case any further trouble ensues. Tell the management company you have done so in the hope it gets back to the accuser to give them a bit of a fright. It will also make you look better to the management company imo.

    I'm not saying be dramatic or hostile btw as other people said. Just be friendly and open in your dealings with those authorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Serious allegations are serious and mean serious compo ! Cha-ching ! $$$



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    You're not going to find out who made this complaint.

    The main thing you need to be reassured about is that the people to whom the complaint was made understand that it is entirely baseless. And it seems they do.

    There's no reason at all to think there was any malice involved, so we have to proceed on the basis that this was a genuine mistake, perhaps committed by somebody who was acting over-hastily, because their sensitivity to the possibility of child abuse was running ahead of the actual facts and evidence.

    An apology from the person who made the complaint is not going to be forthcoming; they probably think that being hyper-vigilant about dangers to children is nothing to apologise for.

    And I would not stress about this; the apology is comparatively unimportant. Whatever damage might have been done to your reputation by this mistaken allegation — and, fortunately, it seems there was none — would not be in any way mitigated by an apology given to you. If, hypothetically, a neighbour heard banging at your door and loud accusations of perversion being yelled through it, they might have their doubts about you, but those doubts would not be assuaged by an apology given to you; your neighbour would never know about the apology.

    Any action you take to demand accounts, explanations, apologies, fuller investigations, etc simply keeps the matter alive and current, and reinforces in the mind of more and more people that you were accused of shonky behaviour. Even though the allegation made against you is entirely false, it cannot possibly be to your advantage to call continued attention to the fact that the allegation was made. And doing this for the sake of an entirely useless apology would be . . . unwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I would say there is a reason to suggest malice is involved based on the 'anti-kids' allegation. It's so subjective that I would assume that the accusations are based on a personal bias.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭peter4918


    1. Never had any complaints made against me and have never made any complaints against anyone.
    2. I was accused of recording videos of children/taking pictures of children, and also being "anti-children".
    3. The person who made the accusations has not apologised, I don't know who they are. It was the management company who apologised.

    Ok then? Did you read your own post?

    Never had any complaints but accused of recording children/taking pictures of children. Is that not classed as a complaint?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Bizarre post. He obviously meant before this incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭peter4918


    It’s not that bizarre really. The OP has gone from knowing nothing about the complaint or who made it, to posting his let me clear things up 1 - 5 post. Who came to him and told him all this, he said earlier the management company won’t tell him who made the complaint or what the complaint is.

    that’s bizarre to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Where did he say that they wouldn't tell him what the complaint is? Of course he knew what the complaint was, but probably didn't want to reveal it at first. Probably expected he might be taken at face value rather than being accused of being dramatic and mocked.

    I don't see any reason not to take him at face value unless you actually don't want to.



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