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2 bed ground floor apartment with external doors in both bedrooms??

  • 18-09-2023 7:05pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23


    I'm in the process of buying a 2 bed apt but haven't signed contracts yet. Buying off plans too which can be tricky when there's no show house to view. On the brochure the EA sent originally, there were 3 external doors, 1 being in one of the bedrooms which led to a private patio. I thought this was a bit strange so decided I would have that bedroom - I'm a single Mum to an almost 4 year old so security is obviously a big concern for me.


    When they sent the contracts the layout had changed somewhat to include an external door in the 2nd bedroom as well. Fair enough, things can change with plans...but this seems a bit excessive to have 2 externals doors from the bedrooms PLUS the 2 separate side doors that access the main kitchen/living room?


    The other thing that I find a bit odd is the fact that both bedrooms lead out to private patio areas, but it looks like only one of these will be fitted with a side gate - and even with that, the EA said that the builder wasn't going to originally fit it, the owners would have to do it themselves. But seemingly they have 'convinced' the builder to do it as it's unreasonable to have that open space leading out on to the path. The second bedroom, the one which didn't have the external door on the original plans, also has the little patio outside which then leads out on to the public path.


    It's hard to explain so I've included a screenshot of the plans and numbered where the doors are. The red arrow outlines where the public footpath is and where the bedroom door is. Maybe I'm missing something. Personally, I find the EA to be a bit useless as they don't seem to know what the situation is. I would like to try and talk to the builder directly and might pop down to the site this week. I just find this a bit odd, it doesn't make sense to me at all to have ground floor bedrooms so easily accessible to the public? So I just keep these locked all the time? Is this normal to anyone else??




Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Personally, I would be delighted to be able to access the private amenity space from the bedrooms but each to their own! What would you hope to achieve from the builder OP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    If it was me I'd change the door to window so that you canventelare the room at night and I'd install a wooden or iron gate where the red arrow is. It's not a big deal, ask for site meeting, being a large box if the IKEA biscuits and get on the good side of the foreman



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 auris00


    Wait, so it doesn't have a regular apartment door where you enter into the hallway, but you are supposed to enter your apartment from the bedrooms or the living room? It's really strange, how on earth did they design this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Access to the outside from the bedroom is something I had for a while and hated it. Its always in the back of your mind that someone can just hop a fence and walk in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Hmm, new reduced fire safety design, no protected hallway so this presumably is requiring external access to all habitable rooms?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    I think goingnowhere is correct in the fire safety aspect.

    Security would be my main problem too. Would definitely install retractable security screens inside those windows. I'd be nervous sleeping otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Which door is supposed to be your "front" door? !?

    Personally I would hate access directly into the living area like that and not having a proper hall - somewhere to take of wet or muddy shoes or hang coats.

    The security aspects would give me pause too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    I suppose just some reassurance that there will be a gate on at least one of the sides and then the option for me to install another gate or something on the other side. Single FTB so really just don't have a clue about any of this, just really anxious doing it by myself and having a young child too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, is that easy enough to do? As in, change the door to a window? This is it here, and the room in question that wasn't originally supposed to have an external door.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    It's a small footprint I guess and there isn't a hallway, the main door (no. 1 in the picture) opens into the kitchen/living space. Does seem strange that there's also another door adjacent to that and then then a door for each bedroom as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Yeah, it's something that you don't really think about when you're buying off plans either until you can actually see the setup and how it has actually been built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Great to know, thank you! Do you know if that means i can't alter that? As in, couldn't turn one of those bedroom into just a window if it's about fire safety?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Great idea, thanks! I was thinking of ways to make it somewhat safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Door no. 1 on the plans is the 'front' door - agreed, it's just a case of figuring out what I can afford that's within my support circle and not too far away for the 2 days in town for work. When I look at the price that houses went for even 5 years ago, I want to cry!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭clairek6


    Sounds very like my ground floor apartment. Both my bedrooms have exit doors but no patio area just leads to outside. It was for wheelchair access and fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Oh really? How w close are they to the public access footpath? Do you keep the doors locked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I'm not sure that windows which could function as fire escapes would be any more secure in reality: they may feel more secure, but both would need to be kept locked when not directly supervised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Nobody is going to "walk" in through this door unless it's unlocked! Fairly serious effort required to break in. I personally would have no serious security concerns with the set up. With a gate on the yard you could make a nice indoor/outdoor space imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    You're probably right, if the builder doesn't include a gate then I will definitely have one fitted. I just hate the idea of someone having such easy access to my Son's bedroom from the footpath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    One simple solution is to ensure there is no door furniture on the outside, so no handle, keyhole etc. Dramatically improves security but thats a factory option really

    There is clearly a fire safety/accessibility issue here as the normal regs a window which has sufficient opening is sufficient as a method of exit (and entry for someone in full fire fighting gear and tank)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    But it's not a concern is it? As in, there needs to be a door as the window does not open wide enough / is not big enough for someone to climb out of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    As mentioned above retractable Security grill, along window film on the glass, it will give some daytime privacy but at night time when light is on you can see inside. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    That's great, thanks. Wouldn't mind so much at nighttime because will have a blind/curtain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    Maybe windows are more secure with triple glazing but I know of several break ins where the patio door was smashed in the corner with a heavy iron bar and it shattered. Most had triple locks and an extra bolt to prevent sliding open when forced. Safety glass so it shatters and allows intruder pass through safely.

    That is why I recommend security screens. I presume the doors will also be connected to an alarm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Which is the front door?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    If you put a locked gate in the area where the red arrows are what exactly is the security concern? There wouldn't be direct access from the outside to your sons room.

    You could even cover over that area and it would act like a hall into the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    That is what I'm considering, I presume it would be easy enough to install a gate there. Just genuinely have no clue about buying / building etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    Connecting the doors to an alarm is something I would make sure of, definitely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭holliehobbie


    You’d want to check your lease before altering your outside spaces. Apartments are different to houses in many respects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If someone is of a mind to break and enter like that, will they be bothererd by the distinction between a door and a window, though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    Easier to just walk through the shattered French window and is also a quick exit. I’ve seen it a few times, last in a neighbours house with cameras, lights and alarm, dark evening.

    Rural but with close neighbours who responded to alarm almost immediately. Lit up all their own lights in house and grounds. Intruders fled into waiting car. Had gathered a few items by window but left empty handed due to quick response.

    Window replaced and security screen added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    It mentions not making any alterations without expressed permission of the management company, but I'm not going to sign without having all of the relevant Information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭clairek6


    mine leads out on to the back car park so it’s handy in a lot of ways I can park at the back or front. I have Venetian blinds so feel they stop people being able to see in without going right up to the glass. I also have a ring security camera for my own peace of mind but it’s just become normal for me and I don’t really see any disadvantages only that it’s hard to get suitable curtains and it looks a little unusual but I don’t have an extra security fears



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 noisysandwich


    This provides some reassurance, thank you ❤️



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