General Star Trek thread

The real weird part is how it damaged his back at all given the way we see all those barrels bounce around.

Or how Starfleet don't have regulations on securing barrels high stacked on starships.

Starfleet Health and Safety is full of Tellarites who spend al their time arguing about the minutia of the rules instead of ensuring they're enforced.

That's pretty good. I don't like the characterisation of Hansen though.

That was very good. The odd ship and some of the acting was terrible but for the most part it was quiet good.

The silent sitting there as he sends wave after wave of ships to their death did him dirty. He came off as quite concerned for others in his limited screen time in BoBW and the creator's pinned comment said he intentionally turned him into a badmiral.

The tactics were necessary but a hint of regret or some emotion would have been enough, other CGI'd characters got an extra facial expression or two.

Same, there's more than enough Badmiral trope stuff in Trek for a lifetime. Hansen seemed like one of the good ones, no need to have him portrayed as stubborn and foolish as shown. Otherwise it was phenomenal.

I feel they were a bit stuck there. They tried their best with the sound-bytes available from BOBW and in the end Hansen did lose this battle. It took Startfleet this loss at Wolf 359 to learn that fighting a Borg Cube required mobile attack wings which they ended up using in First Contact to much better effect, even before the Enterprise E turned up. In this earlier fight, they are using gradual waves, giving the Borg plenty of time to adapt.

Old Fleet captains like Hansen had rarely encountered a threat that couldn't have been deteated by 40+ Federation Starships, and much like the Trekkie I was before watching BOBW, it was unthinkable for Starfleet to lose such a fight. He probably felt that the might of the fleet he assembled was enough....but then learned to his peril that the Borg were far more powerful than he banked on. So it doomed him and his fleet.

The next part will likely involve Capt. Amasov leading the fleet in a fighting retreat. Janeway quotes his log when studying the Borg and USS Endevor might of been one of the few ships to survive the fight. It will be interesting to see how.

Also interesting to note how in the last moments you can see the Cube starting up tractor beams on the disabled ships. Some people were assimilated, so this might have been when it happened.

That, and the bull headed refusal to adapt, while basically sending people to their death. Granted, as mentioned, there was very little to work with, but I just didn't enjoy that take on the battle.

Sure, as @Rawr says, the tactics were outdated and ultimately there was little chance of them succeeding with them. The Hansen shown in BoBW though didn't appear to be the person that he's made out to be in this short though, so for me, it's a little incongruent. He could have just as easily be shown to be leading the retreat, and going out in a blaze of glory by saving people by sacrificing his ship etc. Not that either version would be 'correct', but at least it's have rang true with the character we seen on screen.

We could always ask him to do an alternate take on it with Hanson going out in a blaze of glory :)

Or maybe someone else will at some stage.

True, but also not necessarily. If a few straggler ships were saved by Hansen, you could easily imagine they were all pretty badly damaged, and limped away at low warp for repairs (ala Enterprise in the nebula in BoBW), not necessarily towards Earth even. The wreckage we see then in BoBW is simply the remains of the fleet who didn't make it out of the battle.

You could take things properly dark instead even, and show Hansen trying to save a handful of remaining ships, while they limp away at impulse speeds, sacrifices himself to give them every last chance, but the Cube catches up with them and assimilates them.

It's fun to think about the possibilities, which is why I felt the Badmiral thing was a bit of a wasted opportunity... we've seen it before many times.

This. I often read a bit about Starfleet's "Golden Age" which was period of unrivalled Starfleet power. It led to the creation of Starships with families onboard, because they were so very certain of how safe they would be in a fight. Q even steps in to "help" in his own way to warn Picard of what they were walking into.

Wolf 359 put an end to all of that thinking of a "Golden Age". The likes of Hansen likely started to become extinct, but even then Starfleet had to be dragged into a war-footing by the Dominion. It wasn't for them, the Defiant Class might have not gone past the prototype.

The Q stuff is from a PC point-and-click game called "Star Trek: Borg". The game is sort of an interactive cinematic thing where you have some choice of what happens. Q features alot and the events of the game center around a ship that was at Wolf 359. You'll spot the ST:Borg scenes whenever you see an early DS9 uniform. (Or more likely, reused Voyager uniforms with a TNG comm-badge.)

Yea the new footage and Q bits were from the game. Bit cringy yes and if you watch the full playthrough on Youtube you'll see obviously redressed Voyager sets, but it fills in the blanks of why the ship just disappears too.