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Getting around Galway

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not having a rebuttal or counter points to what I posted would indicate you have a lesser understanding of the article than I.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Your counter-points have little to do with his point so didn't warrant a response 🤷‍♂️



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Haha that's fair enough. All you appear to do is drop links from your biased heroes which you are unwilling/unable to defend/debate.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whatboutery has never been the foundation for a reasoned debate

    I have zero issue with debate, had many, on many threads, with many posters.

    Though I do not engage where whataboutery or other logical fallacies are used as they do not result in reasoned debate and usually descend into farce



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    It's all been discussed ad nauseam here and in other sub forums before. It's all tedious and most people have no interest in what's being said. Just pages of people ranting and vitriol. The old thread about traffic was closed for those kinds of reasons. Think this one is supposed to stay focused on more informative posts



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's sound, might I suggest that we rename the thread to DaCor getting around Galway or getting around Galway(excluding cars)?

    Its disappointing that we cant discuss/support the primary mode of transport for most people in Galway in a forum about getting around Galway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    You can always start a new thread. Can't force people to engage with you though.

    As an observation, you're coming across to me as trying to bait an argument.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    True - was just using the local bike shop link to show that the LBS are supplying them. Been using a NON-Electric one for last 3 and 1/2 years which is about the same price as the one here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Ya and the space is so small #Winningagain. Can park 3/4 Radwagon or Trek bikes mentioned in one car parking spot.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    and a car parking space used by the principal of Scoil Fhursa was also taken out as it was on a public path. https://connachttribune.ie/road-safety-scheme-thrown-into-doubt-after-councillors-vote/

    Does that really say that the school principal is essentially entitled to store their car for free on the footpath?



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭topcat77




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I am pretty sure its marked on the wall as "Parking for Principal" as well. For Squatters rights to apply they would have needed to park 24/7 for 13 years I believe



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just on this, its really worth having a listen to the 5 min radio segment.

    Hearing the kids talking about near misses with trucks and cars on a daily basis, its insane




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The greenway from Athlone to Galway is in trouble with the company awarded the tender now stepping away from the project




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there a need for an additional thread on getting around Galway?

    Surely one should be able to discuss traveling safety recommendations and transportation by car in a thread about "Getting Around Galway".

    Its not like I'm championing that we ban cycling or walking in the city, I just questioned the opinion a councilor that has a tendency generalize and to be a bit dramatic in order to keep his name in local publications. I'm fairly open minded and the reason I support the RSA view is because they backed it up with studies and Alan has not.

    You should be attacking the post not the poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    He did though - he pointed them to their very own data; which one would imagine they would have read, analysed and come up with a better solution than: 'More HiViz vests will sort this out'

    "

    He pointed to RSA data, which said 80% of accidents occur during daylight; 80% of serious injuries to cyclists occur in daytime; and 90% of serious injuries to pedestrians and 80% of serious injuries to cyclists occur in urban environments where speed non-compliance is often high.

    "

    We have done the HiViz, time to do the hard work stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    That's some neck all right if, as the City Tribune reports, this is a public footpath.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The devil is in the detail. Alan would have you think from his comments that a hi-vis is of no use during the day and that wearing one is of benefit only to night cyclists of which there are a smaller number. Data from one of the reports referenced by the RSA shows that you were 38% less likely to be struck by a car when on a bicycle wearing a hi-vis, the survey was performed over a year, there was a large sample size and the majority of cyclists were commuters or weekend cyclists i.e. traveled during daylight for the majority of the study.

    Alan doesn't want to wear a hi-vis and he doesn't want to have to share the city with motorists.

    Surely if a low cost option like wearing a hi-vis significantly reduces your chances of being struck by a car our councilors should be championing it while also working towards improving infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    A couple of observations:

    1) while it's good to see the RSA finally offering some justification for its obsession with hi-vis, the fact that it was until recently claiming to have no such justification (in response to freedom of information requests) suggests this has been a case of deciding on a course of action first and then looking to justify it after the fact.

    2) cherry picking certain results from certain studies can provide a distorted picture. For example the US study most often cited to justify mandatory helmet use failed to account for the fact that helmet use is more common in affluent areas with higher quality roads and cycle facilities and failed to distinguish between the impact of lack of helmet use and the impact of the more dangerous infrastructure as causes of head injuries, which were disproportionately occurring in less affluent areas. Similarly, there was the effect seen in Australia where a mandatory helmet law led to a proportional increase in head injuries (contributory factors likely to be a combination of mandatory helmet laws leading to fewer cyclists on the road, making individual cyclists more vulnerable, and the increased risk taking behaviour wearing a helmet/seatbelt/having ABS etc. is known encourage). Lastly, there are the studies by the University of Bath showing the drivers disregard hi-vis, and give the same amount of space to people on bikes, whether or not they are wearing hi-vis, unless (surprise) that hi-vis clothing happens to feature the word POLICE, in which case they allow much more space. For helmets, drivers actually give less space, driving measurably closer to people on bikes than if they weren't wearing helmets.

    @[Deleted User] Alan doesn't want to wear a hi-vis and he doesn't want to have to share the city with motorists.

    I'm a strong believer in the maxim that "if your argument was a strong one then you wouldn't need to make sh!t up to support it" and I'm afraid you've just failed miserably on that count. Anyone who moves around Knocknacarra on a school morning and encounters the cycle bus will have seen Alan Curran out on a bike in hi-vis gear and with bright lights, even during daylight. He also responded to similar 'anti-motorist' taunts from Alan Cheevers on Galway Bay FM recently by pointing out that he was actually sitting in his 7 seater while talking on the radio.

    As someone who wears multiple pieces of hi-vis and a helmet while on a bike, and who has lights switched on 24/7, I also strongly object to the RSA's myopic focus on hi-vis. You've got a government quango up in Mayo funnelling millions of Euro to a private business also located in Mayo to produce mountains of hi-vis when there are demonstrably so many other efforts they could more effectively focus their resources on. I'm not suggesting there is anything corrupt going on but it is an extremely lazy and cosy arrangement that allows the RSA to be seen to be doing something visible (excuse the pun), even if that 'something' is minimally effective. The RSA should not be measuring it's success on how many baby builder's bibs it distributes, or even mostly on the number of road deaths, it should be judged by the number of people who feel safe enough in doing so that they will travel to school/work/elsewhere on foot and by bike rather than feeling they have to travel by car because it's the only safe method.

    As in the Australian example above, the RSA, by its inordinate focus on hi-vis, is actively contributing to the perception that walking and cycling are unsafe and require specialist safety equipment, thereby discouraging people from walking and cycling and encouraging even greater car use. If hi-vis and helmet recommendations were part of a balanced spectrum of messages that focussed the most on those areas that constitute the highest risks then I doubt anyone, including Alan Curran, would have any objection to it. But having such a large spotlight shone on hi-vis, while much more effective but less politically palatable measures go unmentioned, does need to be called out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Devil is the detail, and RSA aint very good at understanding that detail or else they are just ignoring it.

    Delighted to see a local Cllr like Alan Curran focus on the hard yards stuff for once, the RSA HiViz focus is real low hanging fruit. That era is over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    It's also worth noting that Curran isn't elected and if he has any sense, knows he has less than zero chance of getting elected next year, so he has nothing to lose by using his platform to push his obsession while he can.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Pauline O'Reilly won a seat for the Greens on the first count in that ward in 2019 before passing the seat on to Niall Murphy when she got her slot in the Seanad. The way I see it there are two sitting Councillors (both co-opted), Niall Murphy & Alan Curran, vying for O'Reilly's voters in Galway City West next year. And I would say there is a good chance one of them will get in. I believe it's likely going to be similar to the battle between Martina O'Connor (Green) and Sharon Nolan (SD) in Galway City Central last time around, with less than 50 votes between them at the final count. Whichever of Murphy or Curran is a handful of votes ahead at the final elimination will get in under that scenario. I wouldn't put money on which one it will be but I think saying that Curran has less than zero chance of being elected is way off the mark.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Interesting analysis; thanks. I think O’Reilly is a pretty toxic association in Galway now, so the Greens here have her as an extra electability problem to association with the national party. Curran is really only a one trick pony. All he’s focussed on is cycling and that’s of zero interest to 99% of people. It really is all up in the air!



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭rustyfrog


    When you completed your analysis across other topics, did they also show that 99% of the population were fully aligned with your thinking on those topics too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Similar to the old Nox001 studies, they were halcyon days on here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    😂 basic cop on and arithmetic will get you to the same conclusion. Galway Cyclists are a tiny minority and even then a subset of the 2% tiny minority support that the Greens enjoy. The same cycling “campaigners” debate each other ad nauseum online across all social media platforms. If anyone disagrees with them, they all pile on together against any one who dares contradict them. Witness the diatribe against Cllr. Keane quoted above from X. As one local editor of a Galway paper says, you get less of a reaction from the Taliban when you cross them!

    The Green situation in Galway is compounded with O’Reilys vocal opposition to the Ring Road - that won’t be forgotten - and her latest spectacular own goal with her speech in the Seanad on restricting free speech is another nail in the coffin for her political outing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭rustyfrog


    I'll take that as a yes.

    We could potentially save some money on elections and just ask yourself instead, it'd be much quicker.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    MOD NOTE

    The sniping on this thread is

    Pointless

    Inflammatory

    Against the basic "don't be a dick" rule

    Think twice or more before you post, thank you.

    Grem



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