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PK@rte.ie (again). The All New (Patrick Kielty) Late Late Show Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭yagan


    McClean is a footballer who for reasons he explained never wanted to wear the poppy. At the same Vidic time received next to zero hate for not wearing one.

    It is anti Irish bias that I'm glad keilty didn't indulge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Indeed. And I think I read McClean's appearance was as a result of an invite from PK, a sort of personal favour. He agreed to come on a 1on1 interview, which apparently he's not that in love with, and got to mention autism and his own diagnosis as well. I don't think that's the forum for PK to go into Vincent Browne mode.

    If the LLS ever does a return to political panel discussions and PK is given the opportunity to host a debate about say, a border poll/Reunification which consisted of prominent figures from both sides in the North, then certainly quiz McClean on what he has or hasnt done. But you must pick your battles and use some common sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I know it might disappoint some but we won't be seeing political 'discussions' like the one Bryne conducted with Gerry Adams. Where the panel was stacked with his political enemies in an attempted ambush. It didn't go well for them.

     Sinn Féin's popularity rating in the Republic increased significantly after the interview, with the Irish Examiner reporting that 70 per cent of people held a favourable view of Adams after the show.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    "Footballer of note" was prime guest on opening Late Late show of the season? God help the guest list for the rest of the season is that if that boring footballer is all he can get. McLean only plays for EFL League Two club Wrexham, and has a market value of only 500k. And not exactly charismatic popular man of the month either, the way he wore a paramilitary balaclava in front of childrem, but of course Kielty never mentioned that, only gave him a very soft interview.

    Maybe in Francis Bradys new united Ireland, he would like the likes of McLean in a Balaclava going round giving history lessons to all the children of the nation, as he sees nothing wrong with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McClean, unlike some, saw that what he did as a joke/wind-up of bigots (boo hoo) was wrong and apologised.

    Those are the type of people I can live with in any society. Who do the wrong thing and apologise, not evade, whitewash at the highest levels and repeat the offence all over the place again and again.

    McClean has served Irish football for years, you might need to get over that one too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But McClean isn't a political figure as such. He's an athlete who put his foot in it a few times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I see that known IRA sympathatiser Melissa Reddy, football reporter for the Athletic & Sky, also has an interview out with McClean.

    Sky must be really stuck if they are having to rely on news from a L2 player...




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The obvious question Kielty should have asked him, if he does not like Britain and he continually insults them about their army ( calling them terrorists) why does he choose to go and live there and bring his family up in that environment? He after all only plays for EFL League Two club Wrexham. Could he not get a job with an Irish or continental football club?

    Kielty could have turn a boring one sided "interview" in to something else. Many people seemed to switch channel after McLean came on. He missed the opportunity.

    If the boot was on the other foot, and someone was on who had worn a loyalist balaclava (even as a joke) and who insulted our army or Gardai and called them terrorists (because of collusion as found in the smithwick trimunal, for example), would they have got as easy a ride as Kielty gave McLean? No way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Where has he ever said 'he doesn't like Britain'?

    Like many people even in Britain itself, he doesn't like abuse from bigots for not wearing a symbol.

    How many switched channel...are you making stuff up again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Well, it is quite obvious from what he says and how he acts that he does not fit in well in Britain and does like the place. He calls their army terrorists. Melissa Reddy said "for 11 years, James McClean has been flooded with death threats and ill wishes too atrocious to type out. His family have lived in fear, they've been traumatised.". How could they want to live in such a place? That is the obvious Kielty should have asked. I think McLean said somewhere he had not many friends there? McLean only plays for EFL League Two club Wrexham. 

    Could he not get a job with an Irish or continental football club? Kielty should have asked him why does he want to subject his family to such abuse, by living in England?

    As asked already, "If the boot was on the other foot, and someone was on who had worn a loyalist balaclava (even as a joke) and who insulted our army or Gardai and called them terrorists (because of collusion as found in the smithwick trimunal, for example), would they have got as easy a ride as Kielty gave McLean?" 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Frankly, what he chooses to do is none of your business nor Kielty's for that matter.

    What he has NEVER said and what you have once again invented is that 'he doesn't like Britain'.

    There are aspects of Ireland I don't like, but that doesn't mean I don't like Ireland, ditto with Britain, there are things about Britain I love and things I don't.

    Human beings are complex things, no need to invent stuff about them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    It’s no longer current affairs, more like a weird feminine comedy show, not my cup of the tea but then either was tubs or Gaybo



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,041 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    What's with all the sneering at Wrexham and L 2.

    Lots of good football played in L 2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I did not invent anything about him. I quoted from eg Melissa Reddys post above / sky sports interview / see post 943.

    After all the years of abuse in England (which we heard about yet again for the hundreth time on Friday night), Kielty should have asked him why does he want to subject his family to such abuse, by living in England? Could he not get a job with an Irish or continental football club? Or Kielty could have asked him why he wore the paramilitary balaclava, seeing as he gave him platform to call the British army terrorists.

    A missed opportunity.

    As asked already, "If the boot was on the other foot, and someone was on who had worn a loyalist balaclava (even as a joke) and who insulted our army or Gardai and called them terrorists (because of collusion as found in the smithwick trimunal, for example), would they have got as easy a ride as Kielty gave McLean?" 



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ok, if you didn't invent anything tell us where he said he 'doesn't like Britain'?

    This is what is known as dog whistling sensationalism.

    McClean has an issue with what the British army did in his community, just as many Britons have issues with what their security forces do in Britain.

    It was an interview of McClean - the person...not a political interview to ask questions YOU wanted asked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    People in Britain do not wear paramilitary balaclavas and call the British army "terrorists".

    When will you answer the question, as asked already, "If the boot was on the other foot, and someone was on who had worn a loyalist balaclava (even as a joke) and who insulted our army or Gardai and called them terrorists (because of collusion as found in the smithwick trimunal, for example), would they have got as easy a ride as Kielty gave McLean?" 



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    On whose 'other foot'?

    Kielty interviewed an international Irish football player of long standing as he comes to the end of that career.

    The interview ranged across many aspects of the man's life.

    If it is factual that the Gardai colluded with anyone or terrorised anyone then that person is free to state that.

    Kielty, nor you can deny that the British army terrorised the community McClean comes from - Bloody Sunday, Internment, routine intimidations and harrassment as well as colluding with loyalists. Those are all facts of history.

    If the British Army are 'insulted' by that history...so what?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You still did not answer the question. I doubt if the British army cares or not if Kielty wears a balaclava or not ( which he was photographed doing). The majority of people in N. Ireland and the majority of people in the rest of the UK never considered them (the B. A. ) terrorists.

    Do you not think, after all the years of abuse in England (which we heard about yet again for the hundreth time on Friday night), Kielty should have asked him why does he want to subject his family to such abuse, by living in England? Even though he only plays for a EFL League Two club, could he not get a job with an Irish or continental football club?  Why give him such an exceptionally soft "interview", if you can even call it that?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    "Human beings are complex things, no need to invent stuff about them."

    You haven't quite got the hang of Boards.ie, Francie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why didn't you phone in?

    If McClean is saying he is unhappy about where he lives then ask him.

    He has never said that, so why ask him?

    He has never said he 'doesn't like Britain' but you think he should be grilled about something he never said.

    If the British Army don't care what he says, why are you taking umbrage on their behalf?

    And you never answered, if somebody makes a statement of fact why would somebody challenge that? The British army terrorised communities (it's what armies do...you know the guns and tanks etc?) how do you even begin to deny that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    On next weeks Late Late Roy Keane calls Churchill a big fatty. Kielty falls off sofa on new set.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭yagan


    The British did terrorise irish people in Ireland. That's not disputed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    lol. Someone said he reminded them of Boy George, Kielty was so caked in make up.

    At least if they got Gerry Adams to present the show, RTE would save a fortune on salary ( Adams would work for the average industrial wage ), the same soft questions would be made to the likes of McLean and McAleese, Joe Brolly the Republican could still have been mentioned / lauded / praised a couple of times by different people on the show, and RTE would have saved a fortune on make up - they would not have had to do where the beard is. 😀

    N.B. why was Blewett (or whatever her name was ) on the programme? Most people would pass her in the street and not have a clue who she was. Apart from the fact she is married to someone whose father is suspected by some to one of the Claudy bombers?

    https://www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/brother-of-ira-victim-calls-on-gaa-pundit-joe-brolly-to-clarify-remark-on-atonement/41200152.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM




  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kayleigh Trappe is a Monaghan girl. And gets laughs al over the island of Ireland.

    Other than that, not sure what the point is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A very good impersonation of feminine Kielty on the show anyway. Time will tell if people will get fed up with Kielty / the novelty wears off. They should really just get Gerry Adams to present the show. As said before, RTE would save a fortune on salary ( Adams would work for the average industrial wage ), the same soft questions would be made to the likes of McLean and McAleese, Joe Brolly the Republican could still have been mentioned / lauded / praised a couple of times by different people on the show, and RTE would have saved a fortune on make up - they would not have had to do where the beard is. 😀 -


    Any idea why was Blewett (or whatever her name was ) on the programme? Most people would pass her in the street and not have a clue who she was. Apart from the fact she is married to someone whose father is suspected by some to one of the Claudy bombers?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Are you getting paid for the amount of times you repeat stuff?

    Nobody is rising to the silly baiting.

    Didn't think guests had to be known in the street to qualify. That would rule out many radio broadcasters as guests plus many more.

    The 3 Pints Please podcast is massive in the country, thus qualifying the 3 guests.



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