Temple street hospital using unauthorised devices

Less of the pub talk, it adds nothing to this scandal. Wake up

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No way this was not noticed in CSSD , however it's not something that is in their control ,and these compression screws or whatever they were , were used in 2/3 surgeries, possibly before it was clocked . I can only imagine the pandemonium that ensued .

A scrubnurse would not necessarily know the provenance of every item except that it was in a sterile pack and approved by the operating doctor . The theatre manager might have been contacted by staff who would have fed back that something different was being used by a particular surgeon and from there it would be investigated.

Surgeons who request particular items for surgery have to request them via ordering /supplies managers and new items usually are checked thoroughly for contents suitability and warrantee by the supplies team .

Something happened to bypass these checks obviously but we will have to wait to see what comes out of the enquiry.

Awful stuff.

But caution is needed here , people need to be aware that nobody knows what caused a child's death , it will be subject to an inquest. Should not be speculating.

There is more than one family grieving ,with ill children and not knowing what to expect, and none of us are privy to the full details of who broke this story or what exactly went on .

Temple St is a fantastic hospital with highly trained experienced staff from the consultants and nurses to those working as porters and in catering , and all focussed on the best possible care for children and their families.

They have been working under terrible pressure over the last number of years all the time being told that a move to the new Children's hospital was imminent , and they working in circumstances in Victorian buildings and still doing it with good grace and high standards .

I am fully confident that everybody there was on the case as soon as and this person stopped in their tracks.

At least now everybody is aware there is / was a problem .

Yes . I don't deny that .

But with investigations ongoing and families in the mix I don't think anything was being covered up here ..is that what you are saying ?

I suppose the Ditch was operating in the public interest .

I would say that the hospital were acting in the children's interests and their families , given that they instigated an internal review and a very thorough external review .

How was this happening, surely there would be a package of approved components ordered/used/stocked for each operation, there would be people in Finance and admin departments signing off these orders for unapproved medical springs. Could the whole thing have been a scam by someone selling on the actual expensive components that should have been used for a few hundred here and there in blood money?

This. Any time I visit my GP everything used is clearly medical grade - How on earth did ordinary springs pass muster? I would have assumed everything used in such serious operations comes sterile wrapped and is prepared/prepped by a party other than the operating doctor/consultant.

Either way, it's an awful thing to happen, I only hope for a rigorous review that isn't afraid to apportion blame where warranted, and that those found guilty are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

From what is now known about that case how is your point relevant other than throwing mud at foreigners when reports in the media are that the individual under investigation is Irish

You always know when a story comes out, it's going to be monumental in its long reaching affect on society.

This sadly looks like one of those.

Whatever the facts, we've let down another group of people, this time children and their families. The priority has to help them in every way possible.

As other posters have said, didn't our ever useless media have an inkling of this, or did, but chose just not to report it?

Quite the irony, they're over it now as a rash. Most allegations of amnesia by politicians as regards register of interests and planning applications, published by The Ditch, go unreported in the mainstream media.

Shame on this country.

Its annoying.

Mainly these surgeons are running from pillar to post and get delayed /nabbed everywhere.

Clinics are important but when something more urgent comes up they get put back.

We waited 2/3hours past our actual given appointment time when my oh had cancer to speak to the surgeon who was called to an emergency. It was frustrating and unforgivable at the time, to us, but we were so grateful to this person after, all was forgiven!

Its the nurses and secretaries who get the frustration levelled at them and have to try to manage expectations.

This is all by the way, really.. How somebody organises their inics is one thing but these are very serious surgical incidents.

The surgeon might be.. I don't know this... one of those Godlike people to each and every person they talk to especially the families, but a completely useless surgeon who blames everyone else when things go wrong.

I think I can put up with long clinic waits to see someone who may not be very easy to talk to and be very cllinical and matter of fact, but operates diligently on me and mine using the best techniques and equipment.

Thats the core of the job of a surgeon.

I totally agree! I was back at James' for a check up six weeks after a gall bladder op. Appointment was for 11 - I think I was seen at about 2pm for a total of 30 seconds- no exaggeration. It would have been a better use of time to have done the consultation over the phone as all it was, was how are you, any problems, no, ok, no need to see us again. Well I would hope so unless I have the ability to regrow my gallbladder.

I do agree that the attitude of some staff is appalling. Thank the Lord I haven't had many dealings with hospitals but I did find the private ones marginally better.