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Divorcing PPR and child maintenance

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  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭GarfieldandPookyBear


    You did suggest he smear his wife and out her on social media, tell the kids that their mother is a cheater, stop paying the mortgage and let his children’s home go to ruins, take them from their mother and put their mother out on the street. You clearly do not see it from the children's point of view because you’re so fixated on the reason for their divorce.



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    You need to DNA test the kids if she is a cheater. You could have Cuckoos in the nest OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    @Hammerhead1 just a few questions. How long is left in the mortgage. What are the repayments. What is the value of the house and how much equity is there presently in it.

    At present you are between a rock and a hard place and this could go on for years. There is a likelihood that the complete solution will not be solved next year at the divorce hearing. At present you are burning cash. as you indicate its impossible to rent some place at present.

    I think you former wife will delay a solution as long as possible what she is getting now is as good as it gets. From your original post you are paying 1750+/ months to your former wife

    She has 2.75k in income and you are paying the mortgage as well as after-school childcare and half other costs. In reality she has 4+k/ month and you have 16-1700 euro/ month.

    Consider only paying the interest on the mortgage, however I expect you are paying mostly equity in the house at present. I suspect as well that you are 50-70% into the payment stage of the house loan.

    I think you need to renegotiate your payments to your ex wife. Get her to pay half the mortgage. TBH with the level of income she has I be paying the mortgage and nothing else and I would consider going interest only on that for the moment.

    I think you will be considered as a first time house buyer because of the your presence circumstances. Technically you may be entitled to go on the housing list and get HAP with the present level of support you give your ex spouse.

    If you pay the mortgage she should pay after school care. She is recieving 1800/ months( also she will receive back to school supports, Christmas bonus etc) in lone parent and CA.

    You can easily justify a minimun 500/ week to live. You should definitely consider trying to rent a place even if this is shared accommodation and you still use your parents house when you have the children.

    What is happening is unsustainable for you. You cannot be expected to live with your parents forever and you are as well minding the children about 35% if the week ( I bet you all week ends as well) and you are feeding and caring for the children at these times.

    If there is a lot of equity the house, and the house is a seriously valuable asset the judge may decide that it can be sold and it may be financially viable for both of you to be housed out of it. Not in present location and it probably would be apartments.

    Can you access a deposit on a cheap apartment at present buying is more viable than renting

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    And then they wonder why Ireland is a no fault State.



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭GarfieldandPookyBear


    Or that they don’t get whet they want in court and then claim the judge is biased towards the other party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    As horrible as that is, it's probably realistically not a bad idea.. she has shown to have 0 remorse for her actions which suggests she would have had no problem doing it before.

    Women who do what she's done are genuine evil I would put nothing beyond them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No matter how much I was having trouble with her it's something I be very slow to do for the children same

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Not at all id have the upmost respect for my other half if she approached me and was honest and said this isnt working, i would try resolve it and failing that i would go above an beyond to make sure the split was seamless and well understood by the kids, a person that is honorable like that and carry's themselves as a decent person deserves nothing but respect and be treated accordingly.

    Now contrast that with someone that cheats and when they are found out they show no remorse and the first thing they do is demand more money? You can be absolutely certain they would be dealt with in the most ruthless manner possible, because that's what they deserve. Your judge can do nothin to a person that that isnt bothered by there deterrents they can only punish after the fact and not before it.

    So i would be relentlessly "f**kin about and finding out", She would have front row seats to watch her life burn and there would be nothing that could be done.

    And its no more than scum like that deserve sorry but that's just the truth these people shouldn't be protected and they shouldn't be allowed to use there children as shields to protect themselves from the repercussions of there **** behavior.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Only some extremely naive person would willingly walk into those courts expecting a fair shake, In this scenario id have everything done long before it got to courts especially in a financial sense, rendering the courts essentially powerless.

    Cant get money they cant find, Cant garnish wages that arent earned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    So, after destroying her publically on social media, and "burning down her world", quitting your employment so you have no earnings, (which means no way to support kids or pay rent ) and deliberately default on the mortgage on the family home to have the house repossessed (which will take maybe 5 years anyway) - you still think you are in a better "moral" position to be trusted to raise children, and a court will hand you over full custody?

    You really haven't thought this through, have you? 😂

    You may think Judges are biased, if you wish - but they are not fools.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    OP would selling the house and buying two smaller places be an option? As others have said good strong legal advise is the key on this one. Best of luck op not easy



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    What makes you think id stay within the rules? lol you seem to think id march to the beat of the courts and play fair lol use your imagination there are many ways to skin a cat.

    Of course i would! id be a good hardworking man that fell to depression because of his wifes cheating, her actions really damaged me and I was failing at my job due to the grief and anxiety it caused me. A tragic story in truth but somehow i would be optimistic of a recovery down the line :) Now with how strong a position mental health is these days the good old judge wouldn't dare challenge it or discriminate over it ;)

    Id probably be able to return to my job once everything settled down.

    She would be outted, homeless and not getting a cent and her life turned into a living hell lol A tragic fate of her own making lol

    And that would only be the start lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭GarfieldandPookyBear


    So what you’re saying is, you would punish your children because of something your wife did. Got it. Good luck in court with that narrative 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭GarfieldandPookyBear


    And that folks is why you lose access to your children. Don’t be this guy 👍 I’m muting this troll.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    So what your saying is you support cheaters who mentally abuse there children and cause them mental distress to satisfy there own needs? Your assuming alot here for one the children might hate there mother they might not even want to stay with her after what she did.

    Your saying that man should be financially crippled for the rest of his days because of a scummy womans actions the bottom of the barrel women.

    Good luck being a cheater and using your children as an emotional shield in court for your actions.

    Disgusting excuse of a human.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    We all know what you are and why you are defending the cheater lol must be painful to seeing them get what they deserve.

    Muting these sympathizers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭jj880


    Whats apparent in this thread is when it comes to who gets what in a divorce everyone screams "think of the children" but when you mention who had an affair everyone shouts "Ireland is a no fault state". Not a peep about the children then as it doesnt suit the argument. Also we now have people telling the heartless husband dont DNA test the children even though the reason for the test in the first place is her affair and if it does turn out 1 or all the kids arent his whos fault is that for shagging outside their marriage years ago? Absolute nonsense. Just because Ireland is a no fault state and divorce is completely biased against the husband doesnt make it acceptable.

    Some of the rabbit hole posts in this thread are quite laughable. Just throw some kind of post up to get a reply in even if you cant disprove what someone is saying. No-one wants to answer the big question: is whats happening to the OP fair? Nevermind current legislation, judges, no fault states or anything else. 4.2k income and the family home for her until the youngest child turns 23 or even longer if she has any more children with her current bit on the side or some other guy. 2k income for him on his parents couch. Is it fair? It isnt. This thread proves it. It needs to change.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron



    the mortgage payments will just go away will they? poof

    he will never own a home after this

    he will end up in court being forced into payment, wages taken from him, you don't have a clue what you are talking about



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    like even with mediation or court they wont allow this imbalance to take place



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Before you make another comment explain to me how he gets a home following your advice he would be down to sub 2k on his parents couch paying for a house he cant live in with his ex gunning for way more money from him.

    Please explain it i want to hear how he ends up with a house out of this.

    Lets hear your answers seeing as you know it all.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    This thread just shows to me the level of scum that are out there, that sympathize with remorseless cheaters that want to leach a living using there children as leverage.

    Its exactly what's wrong with our society these people essentially get rewarded for there disgusting behavior i know of men that have killed themselves over women cheating and the destruction it caused in there lives truly evil women.

    In alot of these cases these women moved the man they cheated with into the family home.. thats what your dealing with.

    The only thing they deserved was jail nevermind the family home they are the scum of the earth and deserve nothing but contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem for the OP is that under the present circumstances it highly unlikely he be able to afford a house anyway. As at present he is on a virtual subsistence payment while she has over 1k net per week in real terms and only has the children 65% of the time


    The level of payment to her is abnormal considering that @Hammerhead1 has the children 5 of the 14 days of a two week period or nearly 35% of the time. He really need to be a bit selfish for not just himself but also for his children .

    Unfortunately you cannot have an omelet with breaking eggs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I see you continue to conveniently ignore the fact that the ex-wife here is also in employment.

    The maintenance she receives is declared and means tested and would be treated as taxable income. How do I know this? Because the amount the OP told us she receives only equals a partial payment.

    But please continue. Your rants are a perfect lesson of how NOT to proceed in a family law case. Good man. 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    OP i wouldn't take any advice from either @Ezeoul or @GarfieldandPookyBear these are clearly women that have some "experience" in the situation and have rationalized the woman's behavior in some warped fashion, they seem to be more worried about her getting the kids and money than anything else regardless of what shes done.

    I would take heed of what tactics they use and how they emotionally leverage the kids to justify both financial gains and the home it will more than likely be a tactic ur ex will use as these people seem cut of the same cloth.

    I suggest you be alot less selfless and fight your corner more for the sake of your kids you dont want a woman like that with total control of your kids and your going to need money to stop that being the case. Women like that arent fit to be mothers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am afraid you are incorrect. CA is not taxable neither is child support or for that fact maintenance where it is voluntary which I expect it is here As he pays the mortgage that is not taxable income either

    The OPA and her wages are as well as maybe the 150 a month in direct support he is paying are if the payment is court directed. She is probably paying 35 euro a week in a 1k/ week in income and that is presuming that the maintenance he pays is taxed

    This one is playing a stormer. OP is gifting her free accomodation and picking up half of all the children day to day expense ( he is actually paying all the after-school childcare). She will play this put as long as possible as she will not do as well after the divorce settlement

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    she isn't gunning for more money from him though

    he just wanted to know if he was paying too much

    with the figures he mentioned yes and a divorce settlement would see it that way

    it wont if he puts the kids out on the street, he will be crucified

    he will never own any property with your childish ideas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Get real, he was sleeping on the couch in a three bed house with his wife and four children.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    yes, so go to mediation, which he hasn;t done

    correct the figures, its why he was asking the question in the first place

    it will be a tight squeeze no matter what he does, thats the reality of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭jj880


    I suspect mediation in Ireland is a nice name for listen to us threaten what the judge will do if you dont give in to our demands.

    Like having your balls in a guillotine with the cheating ex holding the release handle.

    Lovely stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I am not incorrect. I was referring to One Parent Family Payment, which the OP confirmed she receives.

    OPFP is means tested and taxable income when the recipient is in employment, as the Op's ex-wife is.

    Maintenance received including payments to any mortgage, most certainly is included as part of the means test (with €95 per week discounted towards housing costs.)

    I used to work in this specific area, calculating these payments.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    its not, its a serious process for serious people not just in divorce procedings

    the cost of an acrimonious divorce should be enough to put off most people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    These threads always end up the same way, hijacked by people with their own agendas lining up on either side. No particular advice for OP other than listen carefully to legal advice, communicate with ex and discuss alternative solutions, stay in touch with your children and keep insisting on fairness. Equality is a two way street.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    there is plenty of good advice in the thread countering the bad



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Ill state this again nowhere have i said put the kids out on the street infact the opposite, i have advocated that the father do all he can to get custody of them so they arent stuck with a toxic mother. You and the other musketeers deliberately misquote me and lie.

    "She isnt gunning for more money" more lies heres a qoute from the OP original post "My ex believes I should be paying much more "

    Does this sound like a reasonable person to you or a person of good character that should be allowed to raise kids? stop..

    The assumptions in this thread are unreal that the mother should get the kids and the house, she should be turfed out he should get the kids and the house and she should pay him maintenance if this country was anyways ran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    when he gets the kids and house he can't work

    then he loses the kids and house

    I mean its so stupid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    She would not be getting any more than she is now. Along with that any payments he be making would be tax deductible for him

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Why cant he work? who says they cant arrange childcare? why isnt she forced to get a job? it'd be alot cheaper for him to keep the house and for them to get childcare so she can go work and feather her own nest.

    Plenty of options that would be better for the kids in the long run.

    But its not about the kids she wants to gain financially she wants her cake and to eat it too shes using the kids as leverage.

    You didnt even know she was looking for more money off him and here you are commenting with not a notion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    yes remember it now, then it the courts, she wont engage there either, be a disaster, but its the only avenue, they will take his well being into it aswell



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    FFS, childcare will eat up all the earnings, because no doubt her job won't equate to his job, its just the way of the world



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    It will eat up her earnings just as much and he gets to keep the house and kids, im sure he could make arrangements between work and family members for childcare. It would actually be a net gain for him as he would be able to live in the house.

    The main problem here is he is the one suffering for her wrong doings while she is benefitting from them, childcare and her having to pay maintenance towards him and the kids would be justice.

    Maybe she can go live with the lad she cheated with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭89897


    You see alot on boards but this here must be one of the most "gone off a cliff" trips I've seen. You've gone from fraud, to ignoring court orders, to insults and insinuating other posters are cheaters themselves!

    Op please dont listen to this cause in what world is losing the family home, becoming unemployed, forcing his kids into a council house away from their friends and school and everything they've ever known and doing all this to spite his ex ever going to be the best for the kids?? Kids arent stupid and this kind of behavior would only force them further and further away from him.

    You have no idea of what his wife did apart from cheating, you're making her out to be some kind of cheating maniac when you know absolutely none of this.

    Its no secret that family court in this country needs an overhaul and things do swing in favour of the mother but often thats genuinely because they are the primary caregiver and she has in this situation. Its not her fault that the country has been allowed become a place where someone in the OPs situation cannot afford a place on his own on his wage and take care of his kids. So take the fight somewhere else but what you're suggesting is downright damaging to not just the OP but to his kids, his reputation with the banks and his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That is if the settlement is court approved. OP has stated the court case is next year. OP wages are 3.5k net per month out of a 70ishk wage before tax which indicates he is bei taxed as a single person. This indicates it's a voluntary agreement and he is getting no tax relief.

    Her wages and one parent payment is all that is taxed at present and she is paying about 35/ week in tax.

    @Hammerhead1 can you confirm

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    no this is the current situation without a court mandated settlement

    its obvious he is paying too much

    so that wouldn't continue

    thats why he asked for the advice

    having a mental breakdown like you are suggesting, going bankrupt is not the solution

    to adjust how much he is paying now, in lieu of any formal agreement is best

    acting like a rational adult is the only way to go, short term pain, long term gain



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Your great for the catchy phrases "short term pain, long term gain" give us a look at what that road map looks to you?

    Because based on the advice you've given him so far to sum it up is be mature go to court, give your ex the house and half your wages or more for the next 20yrs and go home and have a nap on your parents couch.

    Yeah struggling to see the "gain" there bud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He is already paying for after-school childcare. FFS he is paying for everything.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    Its insanity, i fear for the OP once they have that chain around your neck, it wont be coming off anytime soon shes already suggesting he should be paying "Much More" and you've this lot saying its in the best interest of the kids and to go along with it and be mature like a bunch of robots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    You're pretending as if the status quo is much better, that he gets to live on his parents couch, what relationship is he meant to have with his kids? where's he going to have it do they sleep on the couch with him when they are staying over is it?

    Lets take stock.

    As it stands he is :

    1) Homeless

    2) Wages reduced to 1.5k for the next 20 yrs minimum reduced further if his ex has her way.

    3) No prospect of getting a home or even renting on that money and due to paying her mortgage.

    4) At her mercy for when and if she allows him to see the kids.


    If that's your definition of a sane mature outcome id rather be a lunatic everyday of the week and id question the sanity of anyone that would willingly accept such an outcome.

    "Its not her fault the country has become a place where someone in the OP's situation cannot afford a place on his own and take care of the kids"

    That has to be one of the most removed from reality sentences ive read... i hate to break it too you but its all her fault every single bit of this is her fault lmao.



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