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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Rewetting bogs involves reversing the drainage channels that were dug to clear the water from the rain that we have had this summer.

    Rewetting the bogs does 2 things. It stops emissions of carbon from the soil as the bogs dry out and the vegitation starts to decompose in an aerobic environment. The amount of emissions caused by drained bogs on their own is massive, and will contribute to a significant amount of warming if we don't address this.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0615-5

    Re-wetting bogs changes them back to being a carbon sink (this doesn't happen immediately, but over time) , which actively sequesters carbon dioxide from our atmosphere and contributes towards reducing the emissions from Irish land use.

    If we can re-wet more of our bogs, we can both increase our natural biodiversty of native species, and give us some breathing space to meet our carbon reduction commitments at a more manageable pace.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Do you know why bogs were drained in the first place ? To make land more arable is the answer.

    It's amazing how the Brits passed numerous laws in the 1800s to make land liveable that was basically wasteland and the greens/EU want it to return to that wasteland now so they feel better about themselves.

    Now that we have outsourced half of our food production to the rest of the world I do wonder when this rewetting the bogs will come back to bite us in the arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They considered the land to be 'wasteland'

    In fact, that land is a very valuable natural resource in it's state as a peat bog.

    Most of the drained bogs are being used to grow Pine and Spruce forestry which is low value and destroys the natural ecosystem they are planted on.

    Practically no food is grown on drained bogs, other than some sheep grazing (farming EU subsidies more than food)

    Ireland was absolutely devastated by centuries of British occupation, our natural forests were chopped down to make British Cathedrals and the ships they used to colonise the world leaving us with one of the least forested landscapes in Europe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is this Irelands Greta? Just after doing her LC

    Limerick-born teenager Saoirse Exton is there as a member of the Youth Advisory Group to UN Secretary-General António Guterres on climate change.

    What an impressive young lady



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Our pussyfooting around the need for new generation (and Ryan's insistence that it be temporary and only for emergencies) means we now have to build it in the face of high inflation.

    EirGrid has warned it faces “liquidity challenges” due to the soaring cost of installing temporary emergency generators to ensure the country has enough power this winter and next.

    The semi-state company, which operates the national grid, has told the energy regulator it has “liquidity challenges” for 2024 after the cost of installing 700 megawatts (MW) of emergency generators at four locations in Dublin, Offaly and Limerick soared in the last year.

    EirGrid initially estimated the emergency generation would cost just under €480 million, but this figure has since been revised to over €612 million. Senior industry sources have told the Business Post the full cost could now exceed €1 billion due to record cost inflation and higher price being charged by suppliers such as General Electric.

    Just in case anyone thought this was going to make wind power more competitive ... GE are wind turbine suppliers too. And we need gas backup for any new wind anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Best of luck to her and all the dozens of other people who are around her making their voices heard on this very important issue that will define their lives and their children's lives for the next century and beyond.

    I hope she is prepared for the absolute avalanche of personal abuse and rage that is going to rain down on her from the right wing conspiracy theorists who will stop at no bar, no matter how low, to make her out to be the enemy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The sooner the better.

    The Greens 2008 decision to make diesel the most economic choice for Irish motorists was one of the worst environmental political decisions this century in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Looks like laws are set to change and the English political establishment isnt quite fully onboard with net-zero.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Sunak, the Tory that he is, is looking for a get out of jail card before the next election. He thinks the ULEZ issue cost Labour votes in the last bi-election so now he's going all in on the anti environmentalism.

    Why? Because he's a Tory, and he's a liar. (ULEZ was a Tory Policy that he's now using to beat Labour with)

    The UK changing the rules about ICE cars won't make a difference. The EU ban on ICE sales kicks in in 2035, the UK's policy won't make much of a difference to the plans of the vehicle manufacturers who will be aiming to scale back production well in advance of this date, and consumers will mostly have migrated to ICE well before 2035 as BEVs are just better than ICE in almost every way (with modern batteries having ranges greater than 300km and life expectencies greater than the lifetime of the car)

    Today the cost of BEV batteries has fallen back below $100 per KW, it's fallen by 8% in a month, and 33% since March 2022

    As soon as the ICE manufacturers can make the same margin producing BEVs as they can ICE cars, they'll switch production to BEVs



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If it wasn't so silly, it would be funny to watch him getting slated by so many. It uniting so many factions against him including many from his own party

    Its honestly like watching the implosion of Liz Truss again. I wonder will he make it to the next elections or will we see a 5th Conservative PM in as many years



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It was a big mistake. But one that was made off the back of criminal fraud by the manufacturers who falsified their emissions test results.

    Would be nice if you reserved some of your anger for those who deliberately lied and allowed their cars to emit toxic fumes when they thought nobody was measuring them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    It's simple, there is no climate crisis until private jets are outlawed.

    When we see those Green-campaigning international philanthropists, CEO's, royalty, sports stars, movie stars, etc. only in public airports then you know they're genuinely worried. Right now though.... nah, they don't look worried at all. If they're not even pretending to act worried, then I'm not going to be worried either ;-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Who You referring to? FYI, I’m in my 60’s and have had 4 vaccines ( I admit I baulked on the third booster. But I’m also against the greens in Ireland ( am in Cape Town writing this ).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Wrong, bogs were considered wasteland as they provided nothing to people who had to live hence they were drained.. you see people had to live ! You do know the draining of the land/bogs in Munster made a lot of the land habitable. Just read about the owner of kylemore abbey and how it bankrupt him draining the land. Remember Cromwell to hell or to Connaught ! If you greens had your way you would have the whole country cover d in forest and us all living on top of each other in cities. Anyway the rewetting if bogs is not the major problem it's the effect it has on good land near them that's the problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Lol, did Germany not just get the EU to bend over to facilitate ice cars after 2035 with so called zero carbon fuels? What's the difference in Britain doing it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Blut2


    VW's deceptive diesel policies only began in 2009. The Green party decision to change our motor taxation policy took effect in mid 2008, and was decided on in 2006/2007, long before the impact of any VW policy.

    Theres no sharing of blame here, the Irish motor tax system change and its disastrous effects was entirely down to our Greens own anti-science policymaking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Did she get the Greta yacht over or was it first class all the way..



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Wrong. In 2007 the EU banned the 'defeat devices' that the likes of VW were using to trick emissions tests. They were doing this since 2005 and were already caught doing it in the US. In 2007 they were outlawed in the EU , and then the EU discovered that the likes of VW had still been using them post 2008

    The greens based their policy on Diesel engines that were compliant with European emissions regulations.

    The fact that the car manufacturers broke the law and cheated on the tests means that it was in hindsight a bad policy, but if the emissions were within the Euro regulations, then it would have been a perfectly sensible environmental policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Dept of Transport is the first to move to eliminate free parking for staff.

    The move will be followed by all other govt depts and agencies as time goes on.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It would be better if this was for hydrogen fuel cell rather than hydrogen combustion. IMHO progressing down the hydrogen combustion route is a hiding to nothing as its just swapping out one emission (co2) for another (NOx), in other words this is basically greenwashing




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its interesting to see the collapse in diesel sales is not limited to Ireland. This just came across the Sunak BBC feed, and it shows a massive collapse in diesel sales in a very short period in the UK.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭creedp


    All the Greens cared about was CO2. No interest in the actual toxic fumes emitted from diesel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The EU bringing in regulations in 2007 is completely irrelevant. You claimed that the VW scandal had an influence on the Green party's disastrous decision to change the Irish motor taxation system in 2008. It didn't.

    "the deceptive software was evidently introduced with the 2009 model year."


    And even if every car sold had actually met the European diesel emission regulations of the time it still would have been a disastrous policy. Plenty of scientists at the time advised that favouring diesel engines would lead to more local level pollution than petrol engines, because this was well known. But the Greens ignored them because they wanted to virtue signal.

    An anti-science decision which has reduced the quality of life, and killed, plenty of Irish people. Something no Irish voters should forget.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,566 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Sunak holding a presser in the UK now to reverse lots of green regulations, he's seeing the light now of the lunacy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Looks like an old-fashioned can-kick-down-road rather than a reversal to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Really? Explain why they want more subsidies: EV makers call for incentives to lure wary UK drivers

    How about this: Electric car sales switch into reverse

    Hopes for the mainstream adoption of electric cars have been punctured by figures revealing a fall of more than 11 per cent in the sale of zero-emission vehicles to private buyers.

    The EVs are mostly bought by businesses and fleets for the tax breaks, the individual punters are not really interested.


    VW is cutting jobs at its German EV factory because demand is plunging

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,559 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Nonsense dreamt up by some greenie looking for funding. It has already had significant question marks raised over the alleged research but those papers don't align with the agenda so are swept aside. Presumably there'll be some further point down the road where the bogs are too wet and cause some other disaster or the mass extinction of some random rare snail or something. All of this so called research is amazingly timed to coincide with certain rounds of funding grants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭creedp


    The green policy that demonised petrol, a far cleaner amd more appropriate for small urban cars, so Ireland could be at the vanguard of green virtue signalling on the world stage and earn friendly UN/EU pats on the back. More concerned about the polar bear than their constituents health



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,069 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    From Sky News:

    The prime minister confirmed he will delay a ban on the sale of new diesel and petrol cars by five years and a weakening of targets to phase out gas boilers.

    He also said a "worrying set of proposals" that had emerged during debates on net zero would be scrapped, including:

    • To enforce upgrades to home insulation in two years

    • For government to interfere in how many passengers you can have in your car

    • To force you to have seven different bins in your home

    • To make you change your diet and harm British farmers by taxing meat

    • To create new taxes to discourage flying or going on holiday

    *******

    It may be a good old can kicking, but don't forget, they can keep kicking it and kicking it.

    I applaud Sunak for grasping the nettle, I foresee this stuff being a huge issue in national elections across Europe in the next cycle, including our own.

    Pretty soon, a critical mass of national governments and parliaments are going to be at odds with the EU Commission and so the next natural step is that the next Commission appointed by the member governments will also be much more conservative and will a new agenda of environmental policy will evolve.

    But no, there'll be no going back!!



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