Russia - threadbanned users in OP

47% of the ones living in Lithuania.

Much like us and the church all the pro EU and pro liberal democracy ones are probably in London.

But that then mean you could have countries kicked out for not hiking taxes,or over minor disputes , while we all support Ukraine you can't force people or individuals or states to support Ukraine, it's a slippery slope

Coal, oil, gas, lithium, grain.... Russia has shown scant regard for it's own citizens, resources are what is all about. Billionaire oligarchs wanting even more riches irrespective of the cost to others.

And another view on Putins Russia..

"Liberty of Russia" Legion on X: "🔹"The one who attacked is the one who is wrong. It's obvious and stop **** around about it," said Makarevich. It is surprising how many of our fellow citizens are still trying to whitewash themselves in the eyes of society. "Putin attacked, and ordinary Russians are not… https://t.co/W1FxC3orPw" / X (twitter.com)

Below is the original, the drowning bit starts from around 10:00 and yes, it's all about the grain considering what happened last year (ukrainian businessmen don't care where they sell it quickly and if they can sell it in Poland they'd do exactly that and nobody would care about Poland, their farmers and effect it would have on the country that has been helping their own country - money, money, money (c))

First 10min Duda was going on about what he said in his UN speech (where he was mainly listing all the help Poland provided to Ukraine and that the US ended WW2 and freed Poland which is very questionable considering no mention of any other countries involved in WW2 but that's understandable - he knows well that only US will help Poland if Russia lands on their doorstep so that's fine - politics in action)

Then someone asked about grain situation and how Ukraine wanted to take Poland to court, he answered quite diplomatically as in we would deal with it in court so. Then another q, and another and he finally more or less lost it saying exactly what's in the article sounding very annoyed.

His main message was though that they wanted unoccupied Ukraine otherwise Russia would be on their doorstep with possible similar consequences for Poland.

Considering history between Poland and Ukraine (Ukrainian language is infested with Polish words for a very good historical reason) Poland here is of course to protect their own interests first of all. Same goes for any other country.

Indeed you could make that argument about just about anything. Sure why would we lock up people for murder? Its a slippery slope, shure next thing we'll be imprisoning people for picking their nose! It doesn't make sense at all.

There's nothing that says we can't draw a line. There's certainly an argument to be made that we should be capable of ejecting countries that are actively working with enemies that pose an existential threat to our way of life. Unfortunately we're too late. For NATO and the EU. The veto system is deeply flawed. It works okish when there's only a few members, as the chances of any single government throwing up a roadblock for nonsensical selfish reasons are slim.

But look where we are. It's been well over a year now since Sweden has been trying to get into NATO. Sweden FFS?! Because of Turkey. And every EU resolution to provide aid is blocked by Putins knob gobbling charlatan Orban.

Its very unlikely such a decision on Ukraine will be the only issue they are out of step with rest of EU on / will be honouring their responsibilities.

A major obstacle will be if there are more than 1 bad faith 'actor' ... each of which could veto action against the other.

We are only in this position precisely because the countries individually rallied and supplies f***tons of military aid to Ukraine. If the Orbans and Trumps of world had their way Ukraine would have received nothing and been rolled over. Then we'd be looking a scenario where Putin may indeed have thought that NATO simply wouldn't act.

It's Poland whom are opposing the expulsion provision from Artcle 7. ANd obviously Hungary. What you're saying makes no sense, its the opposite. If Poland went along with this article then Hungary would be gone and the bloc would be united. Free from the Russian cuckoo that is Hungary.

There were only recently reports of putin's suicide drones landing in Romania near grain shipment facilities the moskovytes were targeting so I have very little faith in your predictions.

Not sure what your assurances given to moderators were to get your thread ban lifted but your lazy repetition of your opinions as facts mean I will be avoiding the thread going forward anyway.

So TTT, you have no problem if another country levelled a significant part of your country, bombed the sh-t out of it razed to the last building. A lot of villages , hamlets, bombed infrastructure , kidnapped and raped at will, etc, etc, etc, etc

and you would have no problem in some countries supporting all of this and in this case Russia has a right to do what it is doing.

And you would have no problem in your country continuing on doing business , etc, etc with such countries supporting Russia as if nothing of any significance is going on - when in actual fact there is something PROFOUNDLY IMORRIALLY WRONG by any persons measure going on

Nobody would be gone from the block they would lose voting rights for a period but not expelled from the bloc ,

Article 7 of the Treaty on European Union allows for the possibility of suspending European Union (EU) membership rights (such as voting rights in the Council of the European Union) if a country seriously and persistently breaches the principles on which the EU is founded as defined in Article 2 of the Treaty on European Union (respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for fundamental rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities). Nevertheless, that country’s membership obligations remain binding.

In accordance with Article 7, on the proposal of one third of EU Member States, or of the European Parliament or of the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members, having obtained the Parliament’s consent, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach of these fundamental principles by a Member State, and address appropriate recommendations to it.

"Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union lays down the voting procedures to be used by the main EU institutions when a Member State faces the application of Article 7. The country in question does not take part in the vote. It is not included in the calculation of the one third of countries required for the proposal or the four fifths required for the majority. Parliament’s consent requires a two-thirds majority"

Then we will get the discussions should states be suspended for not agreeing on something happening with or in non EU state,

The same Poland who has massively invested in defence and military industry and has publicly Said they expect to have a direct conflict with Russia in a few years , I don't think Russia Will be spinning it as some kind of victory, Russia who's struggles with an army that didn't exist a few years ago, imagine what happens when Poland decides it's payback time ,

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Perhaps but the grain issue is massive for the people affected. Expecting Eastern bloc tillage farmers to accept the collapse of local grain prices while globally it's never been dearer is something that'll never work no matter how much solidarity there is from a moral perspective regarding the war.

Bulgarian farmers are seriously p1ssed too after their minister for Ag called farmer protestors terrorists/terrorist sympathisers due to their views on Ukrainian grain.

The EU should really be stepping in to put an emergency floor in local grain price markets to ensure EU tillage farmers located on the Ukrainian border can stay profitable.

Allowing EU and global merchants buy Ukrainian grain at below cost and then selling it for truly massive profits isn't going to help the global grain crisis and it won't do a thing to alleviate the long-term threat of famine in some African countries if anything it'll prolong/heighten issues.

It's also not great for Ukraine either. Sure it's better than leaving it to rot but not by a whole pile.