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  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Also bear in mind that there are elections in Poland coming up very soon. A lot of PIS's base is in rural areas and they need to be seen to be tough on this to keep the base happy as it is likely to be a close election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Grain has been a massive issue before the war and has been for decades.

    Doesn't matter what government is in power the issue will still be there.

    Before the start of the war Ukraine pull the licence for the transport of goods by rail from Poland and EU because Poland at the time stated to inforce restrictions on the important of grain from Ukraine restrictions issued by the EU.

    Tit for tat has been going on over grain but doesn't main the headlines normally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Remember none of this would be happening if Putin had not invaded Ukraine. The Ukranian grain would not be in Poland. The possible friendly fire rocket attack etc . It is shocking to behold the devastation and division one disruptive ass hole can cause.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭rogber


    Poland confirms no more weapons to Ukraine, instead will focus on defending itself.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The Polish weapons development is an interesting development. If they continue to refurbish and repair various damaged Ukrainian equipment they could still have an very important role. Also they are one of the main conduits for arms entering the country.

    It may also reflect a strategy to get other allies to provide more equipment. Say the Americans and their M1 tanks.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,323 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is that what the stopping of supply amounts to then? Basically Poland pulling back all those vital arms as a tactic to get Ukraine to step back on the grain issue? If you still want weapons ... etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    More I'd say they don't have much left to give Ukraine weapons wise.

    But as always with politics timing of statements is everything



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Field east


    So we keep the same rules/attitudes / regulations etc,etc,etc,etc as we have had from time aaaaaaaaway back without ever REVIEWING THEM- and we class ourselves as becoming even more civilised /‘progressive as time marches on .

    Just because some country did something wrong to another country in the past does not therefor make it ok for any other country to repeat the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,053 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And this is why of course Russia declined to extend the grain export agreement via the Black Sea. They correctly identified this as a way to drive a wedge between Ukraine and neighbouring EU states. Just like promoting migration into EU states to try and destabilise/ push costs onto us, they have contrived to force this issue to cause splits.

    What's odd is that Ukraine and EU have fallen for it. Both know this was a sensitive issue last year and had potential to cause trouble again. It's in neither's interests to fall out over this, so why have they allowed this to develop as it has???



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hashtag both sides.



    On Poland they have been exceptionally generous and need to ensure that their own defense is ready for exceptionally hostile countries nearby. I think the grain thing is overblown and just a bit of a political football. Poland is aware that stopping Russia in Ukraine is the best way to keep war away from it's own borders in the future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Poland are trying to push the notion of they should be an EU powerhouse,they want to see the traditional Franco/German dominated eu replaced with the power going to Poland and the Baltics which they believe should have a bigger say in not just the EU but NATO too ,at the rate of investment in their military industry Poland will be eventually the largest and most modern military force in Europe and NATO,that can change the balance of things for everyone,we in theory could have the western EU states and a separate Eastern states aka Baltics Baying to more control,



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭glen123


    All this is also damaging to Zelenskiy's popularity inside his own country. He lost support in the West of Ukraine long before the war and now after the announcement from Poland FB is flooded with posts from Ukrainians saying more or less that he is an idiot and Poland, please forgive us. If elections are to take place next year, Ukraine will have a new president. Ukrainians aren't into habit of voting for the same person more than once as it is (only Kuchma managed to get voted in more than once back in the 90s) so I really don't understand his tweets and making this grain issue as public as possible instead of trying to sort it behind closed doors which is what Duda would have preferred according to his interview to Bloomberg.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip


    ...and making this grain issue as public as possible instead of trying to sort it behind closed doors which is what Duda would have preferred according to his interview to Bloomberg.

    I love the unintended irony in the above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    What happens if 40 million Ukrainians pack their bags and go to Europe?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    I see people on this very thread calling for countries to be kicked out of the EU ... Great result for Russia!

    Russia's long-term project to foster right-wing populism in Europe and stoke unrest in the Union is finally paying dividends.



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭glen123


    There is no longer 40 million in Ukraine :) But many never left to date being close to the front line so I am not sure why would the whole population suddenly take off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭yagan


    All nations posture for their domestic audience on hand to mouth issues, remember Greece's snap referendum on a bailout deal that hadn't even been fully negotiated?

    On the other hand Czechia recently ousted a anti EU admin for a staunch pro EU/Ukraine defense. Orban liked playing Russia off the rest of us, but now Hungary has the highest inflation in the EU thanks to his dependence on Russian energy. Like in Russia the national media there plays the game too for an older audience who only speak a language for which there are hardly any alternatives views, so Orban doesn't even have to apply heavy censorship.

    I won't be surprised if the grain issue is resolved in a week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    If Ukraine fails they will flee, mainly to Europe.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭glen123


    50% of Mariupol was demolished. It has been under Russian occupation since last year. Has everyone left the city? No.

    Those that left not all went to Europe either.

    Irrespective, New president will not necessarily result in Ukraine's failure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    and

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-21/poland-says-it-s-still-supplying-ukraine-with-weapons


    The Polish government sought to walk back remarks by Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki that the country had stopped weapons shipments to Ukraine, tapping the brakes on an escalating dispute that’s shaken a key wartime alliance.

    “Poland is only carrying out previously agreed supplies of ammunition and armaments, including those resulting from the contracts signed with Ukraine,” spokesman Piotr Muller said.

    The premier’s remarks on weapons shipments added fuel to a widening rift with Ukraine over a grain-import ban, undermining a relationship that’s been key to Kyiv’s effort to fend off the Russian invasion. Morawiecki earlier threatened to expand import restrictions to other Ukrainian products.

    The prime minister’s statement on ending the delivery of military aid to Ukraine was misunderstood and wrongly interpreted, a government official said on condition of anonymity on Thursday.

    The spiraling war of words between Warsaw and Kyiv has prompted concern from regional governments committed to supporting Ukraine. Lithuanian Defense Minister Arvydas Anusauskas told reporters that cutting off aid to Kyiv wasn’t on the table in talks with his Polish counterpart the day before.

    On the contrary, “we discussed aid to Ukraine, the Ramstein format, coalitions, supplies - that is, the complete opposite things,” Anusauskas said.

    Seems like the tensions between Poland and Ukraine are beginning to soften a bit. Hopefully it was all overblown. In the same way that time news were reporting that Ben Wallace had said Ukraine weren't being grateful enough.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If Ukraine falls because Europe cannot put its hands in its pockets then Ukraine will hold it to blame even as it finds refuge there.


    I doubt Europe can afford that eventuality.(Russia will be very emboldened -what is left of it anyway)


    Reports on CNN of a large attack on an air base in Crimea now.

    https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-21-23/h_60f6a53fba31c9f6002f6a9db30d7811



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    And who will fund these eastern states? Before they become some kind of powerhouse they can start by becoming a net contributor to eu funds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is something Poland needs to figure out if they think they are going to be the top dog in Europe, they need to up their own contributions to Europe they don't pay much more than us for a population almost 10x our population and that's before we look at the rest of the Baltic



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This is likely one of the key reasons. The far right are third in polls and could end up being "king-maker". This move will help appease their base.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    I'm confused with this comment. All 3 Baltic states together is only slightly bigger population than Ireland. And decreasing. Baltics is a buffer zone, they never expressed or shown any hints of being any sort of top dog.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Personally i think this is a move from Poland to put the sh its up the rest of the western world in terms of backing for Ukraine. Nations are still dragging their heels and not doing enough in terms of military or financial support. This could have all been over months ago if we'd given Ukraine everything they asked for and more. Poland have probably had enough of the politics and are more than likely itching for a wayward Russian missile to strike and kill inside their borders so they can be let off the leash.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Ok, but that is arguable too. In case of war EU vs Fascist ruSSland it will be Poles and people from Baltics dying first. Long before any German or French soldier falls. Yes, of course, nobody asked them to place their countries next door to vatniks, but hey, it is what it is. They will be fighting and dying, the least the rest can do is foot the bill, no?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Certainly Poland can be considered a "top dog" in the struggle against Russian expansonism. They will likely be the first to suffer directly with their lives if push comes to shove.


    This war is in large part about supporting those in the first lines with our cash.Not a huge ask for the wealthiest countries on the planet.



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