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Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The question is why is this happening now, what has changed to trigger it.

    I've posted on this before but my guess is that there are communities that are not able to cope with the pace of social change moreso than economic. Anyone that points that out gets labelled as a crank, racist or something-phobe in order to get them to shut up. One only has to look at Miriam Lord's article in the times today - she mocks the man with the placard "I am angry" and "Ballybrack says no" in that it is just undirected anger but she knows well what they are angry about and knows why their placards cannot explicitly state it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Even if yesterdays mob had managed to behave like humans , the protest still wouldn't have been successful because they were "protesting" about a laundry list of things.

    The only protests that work are ones that have a focused single issue that is clear and easy for everyone to understand.

    There was no "message" from yesterday other than disorganised chaos leading to thuggery and illegal acts.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We do deserve who we vote in but as they've been voted in, it is not up to a bunch of knuckledragging thugs to change that through violence. It was one step away from the Jan 6th Capitol riots in terms of attacking our democracy.

    I don't think I would agree with any policy put forwards by MHR but I will stand up and defend his right as an elected member of our Dáil to put it forwards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,589 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The problem is it's getting harder and harder to draw the dole and sit on your hole these days with the current cost of living and some people have had enough 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123



    You obviously believe it’s an inaccurate poll due to the absence of irrelevant demographics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I don't think a protest outside the Dail has ever successfully delivered change - there's some group or other there nearly every day whistling into the wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,791 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They definitely seem to be the uneducated and the 'left behind'. Those were very flat Dublin accents yesterday, clearly from the inner city or rough areas in the suburbs. I guess they see their 'movement' as being an anti-establishment one....they see the government and the MSM as their outright enemies, peddling lies and working to screw them over and keep them down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭Tork


    I don't know if there is an ultimate root for this. I'm sure some of them have sprung from the "Littler" side of the fence but not all. I think they're largely opportunists who've stumbled across a way of earning fame and money without having to do a tap of work. I don't know if they're united enough to try and get any election candidates elected. I think it's more a case of every man & woman for themselves, though sharing the same platforms.

    I once heard a commentator on the radio saying that people like these don't really want power (i.e. being elected politicians in government). What they want is to move the needle nearer to what they want. Having an Irish Freedom Party TD in the Dáil isn't really what they want. But if you have refugee accommodation being closed down or LGBT books removed from libraries they'll take it as a win and profit financially from it. There are people who are happy to pay them for their activism. I have no idea who they are how how much they get but it seems to be worth their while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Agree, Ireland has changed a lot over the past 2 decades and with an accelerating rate of change post Covid due to world factors. Only the well off are anyway sheltered from the effects of this change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think you're largely on the money there although I think they see their enemy as the broader political system and media than just the government.

    It's something of a chicken and egg problem though - they have no public voice because they fail to engage with the political system and don't engage with the system because they have no voice.

    At the moment this broad church of disaffected is surrounded by grifters but it probably a matter of time until someone with a brain uses this anger to organise something politically effective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I work with some highly educated people who have very “Dublin “ accents, this a very snobbish post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,791 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm from a working class part of Dublin myself and hear working class accents every day of the week. But their accents, combined with the non stop "F"s and "c**ts" in every single sentence tells me these are out and out skangers and no ordinary working class Dubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,190 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yesterday goes beyond protest in its violence, intimidations, threats and calls for murder

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Jackiebt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,486 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Go get a job ye bums and contribute. Anyone I know personally that is involved in these right wing mobs are unemployed which in todays economy is actually an achievement.

    Losers, the absolute losers of life these people are.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Pensioner protest a few years ago got exactly what they wanted.

    The actual "public protest" wasn't the key part but its clarity and focus allowed all concerned to know exactly what they wanted and how they would punish the government of the day if their aims weren't achieved.

    What do these protestors actually want, does anybody know?

    Do they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amazing the over reaction to this in the media.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭Tork


    I don't know if they actually want anything from the gubberment. It's more of an opportunity to make money for the grifters in their number. This will all have been live streamed to their followers. There's money to be made from being a disruptor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Become Death


    I'm just waiting for it to be called an insurrection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,486 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    The worst part is I feel sympathy for politicians today, that is all this mob achieved



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭event


    A poll cant be inaccurate. The results are the results.

    However, whether it represents the feeling in Ireland at the moment, I am not so sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'd say, broadly speaking, they are looking for a slow down, stoppage or reversal of the social changes that are ongoing in their communities.

    They are very disparate groupings though with anger and alienation the only real common thread among them.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The same shower who historically would have sat in the backrooms of dodgy pubs singing F*ck the Brits and Up the Ra to the Wolfe Tones



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That certainly applies to the "organisers" but for the rag tag collection of randomers that turned up , do they know why they were there and what they were hoping to achieve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The gallows bit remind me a little of Jan 6th in Washington DC. Fortunately we don't have a Trumpster anywhere near office to incite them any further.

    And please no more refenence to "Far Right": these people are just beyond any sort of political thinking, awareness or ideology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Agreed. Amazing to see so many crybaby politicians playing the victim card on the radio this morning. Get over yourselves ffs, it was a vocal protest, nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,190 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Of course they are far right - anti immigrant, anti refugee, anti LGBT, anti democracy and violent

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,190 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    A vocal protest that was abusive, threatening, intimidating, violent and promoted murder of politicians.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Absolutely disgusting to see people protesting like that outside the Dail yesterday. I am delighted and saddened as they have just made it harder for themselves to protest at the Dail which is good. We do not need scum like that outside the Dail but for genuine people with real issues they have made it harder for them to protest outside it which is sad.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Really, it looked like a bunch of low life spongers to me. I have no doubt their various "carers/ disability " benefits will come under fairly close scrutiny now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yeah. I think they do need some focus.

    Wasn't it supposed to be against the hate speech laws that the politicians are trying to pass?

    That would be a worthy thing to protest. These laws they are trying to push are just like something out of George Orwell's novels.

    Freedom of speech. Freedom of assembly. Freedom of assembly. These are all great things that must be protected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    And like the far right morons in the USA they would cry like babies if in court and facing jail.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A protest that included physical assaults, theft and let us not forget , people throwing bottles of piss at Gardai.

    But sure , "a vocal protest , nothing more"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭tomcosgrave


    Having worked in the Dail for 5 years (2011-2016), I have seen plenty of protests in my time - usually there are protests outside the Dáil to some degree on specific issues, sometimes individuals, most quite small but sometimes large ones.

    Some of the protests I have seen were by complete extremists. A small minority of the anti-choice protestors were really, really out there, throwing salt and holy water around with one or two of the small minority engaging in pushing and shoving.

    But what was on display yesterday - bringing a gallows and making threats to politicians of all parties and none, along with ordinary staff (most staff in Leinster House do not actually work for any politician) while throwing bottles of piss around is a whole other level beyond anything that I have ever seen. It is shocking stuff.

    I am not sure if I believe exclusion zones are a good idea - I'd suggest arresting, bringing before the court, and denial of bail before eventually granting it, then bringing them quickly to trial would be a better approach for most of them. The ringleaders should be denied leave to apply for bail and treated harshly.

    Any more extreme carry on after that outside the Dáil, send in the public order squad to deal with it and carry out a very swift application of the legal system - arrest, denial of bail, leave to get bail, and a trial shortly after.

    I have also had my boss (I worked for a TD) with his house plagued by protestors for days and that was nothing short of terrifying, particularly for his family. Colleagues who worked for TDs and held advice clinics for them have been assaulted and threatened with violent acts - beatings, rapes etc.

    It's unacceptable to treat elected representatives or their staff like this.

    Anyone who thinks that what went on yesterday (or the other things I described) is in any way justifiable or acceptable needs to take a good look at themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,793 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'm not so sure to be honest. People can have radical views without being part of a political movement. These are more conspiracy theory nuts than genuine right wingers.

    Looking at the videos, it doesn't look like there's an employed person among them. Social Welfare doesn't really seem particularly far right to me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    And how that fella in the green jumper and peaky blinder cap who has been going around the country threatening female librarians for months hasn't been either locked up or given a hiding is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,486 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Exactly there ideology is just say NO to everything. They are scroungers so really they are far left but are also racist, homophobic and xenophobic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    The hate laws would probably protect the haters just as much as the people they hate, as if people are allowed to be verbally abusive a-holes, they're likely to get physically attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think its a mistake to smugly talk about how 'public opinion' doesn't favour these protestors.

    Anyone could have guessed beforehand that dumping third world immigrants en masse into the poorest areas of Dublin was asking for trouble. Was/is it really necessary?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I was walking past that protest yesterday and I couldn't understand a word being said, just loads of people screeching and cursing, sounded like a sketch show being recorded where the population has gone feral. And all the ireland flags made it look like a paddys day episode of the walking dead



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    No no. You can’t say that. Yesterday was only a few lads shouting and roaring. T’was grand.

    On a serious not, very sorry that happened to you in your line of work, and the TD which you worked for.

    Unfortunately, your lived experience doesn’t matter a jot to some people here who think there is nothing to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,791 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Though there seems to be considerable overlap between the far right and the conspiracy theory crowd these days. Not just in Ireland : look at GB News for example, where you have Farage and Rees Mogg on with a load of conspiracy theory nuts like Neil Oliver.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    What do you think of a gallows and effigies of many politicians being brought outside Leinster House yesterday?

    Is that acceptable, in your view?

    Yes or no answer will suffice.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Public opinion does not favour THOSE protesters.

    There may well be support for increased immigration controls or improvements to the asylum process and if there is , it should be reflected at the ballot box.

    But there should never be support for that kind of "protest" - NEVER.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just for clarity, are you unequivocally condoning or condemning the behaviour yesterday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,486 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It wasn't even an anti immigration protest though, it was just a bored, unemployed mob getting together for a "peaceful protest". If Leo turned around tomorrow and said no more, borders closed, deporting all these lads back to where they came from, they would just move onto something else.

    The ring leaders just like the attention and the hanger ons like been in mob and getting in gaurds and politicans faces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't think you understood my comment. I didn't say public opinion favoured those protestors.

    I said I think its a mistake to smugly talk about how public opinion doesn't favour these protestors.

    Working-class Dubs from areas that have had third world immigrants dumped on them in huge numbers are reacting extremely regardless of whether the wider public has any sympathy for them or not. Does simply noting that they're in a numerical minority make it wise to piss all over them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,360 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    These are just a bunch of angry losers who've fucked up their lives and are projecting their failures onto everyone else. Its garden variety loserville.

    Theyre the same few dozen every time. From 5 million people.

    Few cans, shout "OUT OUT OUT" at anyone and piss off home to post videos on Facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭growleaves


    My impression is that the huge foreign population influx into these areas are what has people so stirred up. Though the protest itself did seem to be a mishmash of various 'causes'.



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