Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

Oh its the medias fault. Ah very good. Tbf, in the videos I saw they seemed to be a fairly articulate and unified bunch of people so it should be fairly easy for the media to tell us.

You're not really paying attention are you?

I never said yesterdays events happened because of images of Lenin and hammers and sickles were displayed last Saturday.

The point was that there is a constant ramping up of stupid behaviour by seemingly every group that takes to the streets in protest.

Further to that I pointed out that it's not reasonable for supporters of one group of protestors to act in a civl manner when they don't do so themselves.

And let's be clear, just because the trans activists on Saturday weren't doing the same things the morons outside the Dail were doing yesterday doesn't excuse what they set out to do on Saturday which was not a counter protest at all, they sat out to drown out speakers who were saying things they disagreed with. The message being that people they disagree with are not allowed to express their opinions which is not a reasonable position. If a trans rights event had been planned and a group of people showed up drowning out what they were saying it wouldn't be tolerated.

You seem to feel that not allowing people an opportunity to speak is acceptable, not surprising in light of the fact that you feel you have a right to be rude to people you disagree with which is an utterly repugnant attitude and speaks volumes about your personality.

LOL

I wonder will Paul Murphy ever apologise for Jobstown.

His behaviour led to this rubbish in Ireland.

"I never said yesterdays events happened because of images of Lenin and hammers and sickles were displayed last Saturday."

That's good. No, you didn't say but I was thinking maybe you believed it. Glad you don't.

"The point was that there is a constant ramping up of stupid behaviour by seemingly every group that takes to the streets in protest.

Further to that I pointed out that it's not reasonable for supporters of one group of protestors to act in a civl manner when they don't do so themselves."

The trans activists showed up to a counter protest. This is not stupid behaviour - it is standard street politics where groups counter protest other groups. It happens in democracies across the world.

"And let's be clear, just because the trans activists on Saturday weren't doing the same things the morons outside the Dail were doing yesterday doesn't excuse what they set out to do on Saturday which was not a counter protest at all, they sat out to drown out speakers who were saying things they disagreed with."

As I said, this is standard counter protest tactics. Maybe you don't agree with it and that is fair enough - but it is accepted practice around the world. If you do street politics, it comes with the territory.

"The message being that people they disagree with are not allowed to express their opinions which is not a reasonable position. If a trans rights event had been planned and a group of people showed up drowning out what they were saying it wouldn't be tolerated."

They are allowed to express their opinion and were not prevented from doing so. No attempt was made to physically stop them or prevent them from demonstrating or talking. Have you never been on a protest? This happens all the time on many different issues where there are street protests - immigration, abortion, gay rights, economic policy - both sides counter each other with protests all the time.

"You seem to feel that not allowing people an opportunity to speak is acceptable, not surprising in light of the fact that you feel you have a right to be rude to people you disagree with which is an utterly repugnant attitude and speaks volumes about your personality."

I'm rude to you because you seem to be zeroing in on trans people. I'll dial it down and I extend my apologies. Hope that suffices.

And perpetrated against an older female TD.

His lack of apology to this day speaks volumes about his personality.

I'm a bit miffed myself but was at work so couldn't do my bit to save Ireland from the black migrant trans menace!

But seriously as a middle of the road PAYE type I feel that my relationship with the state is very one sided and leading to utter apathy. Current politics is an a indistinguishable teal coloured mush of useless platitudes.

A far right is not on the rise, it's more like floatsam on the surface of a stagnant swamp.

A couldn't agree more.

Paul Murphy is an odious individual who has links to some unsavoury characters who he is happy to allow act reprehensibly on his and his associated organisations behalf.

Ironically they came to his door back in April. For better or for worse, you reap what you sow

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1650572029874036770

This is observable. The state literally funds the NGO, the media gives the NGO a voice, so their desires are amplified on whatever issue that may be. Then the state comes along and claims there's a consensus, a wider need or want for something based on the NGOs amplification, then a policy is created based on the false consensus that's been created. I know it's a tactic to make observable things seem ludicrous, but it doesn't wash with many.

And that was wrong too.

Paul Murphy has never been averse to that type of behaviour though, so you're right to point out the irony of that situation.

Yeah, and its seems from reading up on how it was organised it was wide open for any scumbag to turn up, join in and cause trouble at the expense of the legitimate protesters.

They would probably call the journalist “Fake News”.