Waterford developments

Hang on, so the place was like a ghost town and restaurants were booked out at the same time?

Yes, and the same with Cork and I’m sure the other cities too. I’m just speaking about what exists, not what is planned - as what is planned (see Cork’s three skyscrapers) might never happen

Absolutely nothing, I just wanted to share and thought this would be a relevant thread

I meant the streets. There was a big crowd around (I think) High Street with a band playing, and a lot of people by the Apple Market with another band playing. And the car park was full. But in between those areas on the streets, it felt weirdly empty. Not like a Saturday night in Cork or Dublin

Absolutely. Reading back, my post was more negative than I planned on it being, so I am sorry. I know there are huge plans between the university, airport and the North Docks. I’m just speaking though about the as-is. As an outsider looking in and visiting the city, while I definitely enjoyed my time there and have a lot of good stuff to say about the place, I was a little bored. Just pointing out the flaws I saw with the place too :)

Such as?

What were the three places you got the food?

I’m not stirring at all. I was just giving my opinion, and it got out of hand. Sorry for derailing the thread, I’ll leave now

Really? No one has ever denied the deficits this area suffers from and people are happy to hear constructive criticism. That is obvious from posts over the years here. You are on this forum long enough, even if you are not from here, to honestly know and acknowledge that. The general tone of your contributions is miserable, whether or not you use Smiley emojis.

OP must be a sensitive soul. He spent a couple of lines on positives and paragraphs on negatives. He offered an opinion, I dont agree with him and as a local I feel I am just as entitled to rebut his comments. Of course there are negatives and deficits in Waterford. No one ever denied that.We all see them, retail in the city centre being a case in point! You seem to think we should just roll over when some one makes negatve comments. That's not how life works and OP should perhaps learn how to tread softly on other peoples' homes! I tried to offer a coherent response, but OP didnt want that either. When I was first going away to work as a youngster my dad told me never to insult, even in banter, where a person was from, town, city, village or mud hut. Be it ever so humble etc. Unfortunately, Irish GAA driven parochialism seems to cater for and encourage those who feel otherwise.

I dont know if you have access to the Irish Arts Review but a series of articles in its summer edition about Waterford city are highly complimentary. You might like to have a look.

We are all well aware of issues in Waterford, retail and the city centre being a ghost town after 6pm is two prime examples.

What does the OP achieve by posting here? What impact does his post have on Waterford?

Nothing.

If I visited another town/city I don't think I would go and find that respective space on boards and post my positives and negatives.

If I did I am looking to have three possible outcomes

1. Tell the locals how great their town/city is as I just fell in love with the place

2. Have a sly dig at their city/town and saying how my area is better than yours

3. Look to have locals defend their area and point out attractions that I might have missed

If the issue generally concerned the OP or me, then popping an email to the local council, tourism board would be a far better approach than doing it on boards.

Christ one of OPs issues was the car parks on the Quays. I don't think anyone in Waterford ever celebrated this or was proud of the fact that we have a kilometre long car park on our waterfront, it's just stating the obvious.

That would be like going into the Cork thread and saying "I can't believe the entrance into cork City is an old disused dock over looking the river, this area should be a parkland with lovely apartments and a marina"

Obviously it should but all these things take time, money, vision and planning.

I mostly agree, but as long as two storey semis are the desired property it has been hard to change. Council was left with little alternative as two storey housing estates of semis cannot be densified.

I'm sorry but what a stupid post. I'm a senstive soul? I gave my opinion, people didn't like it, so rather than waste time trying to change people's minds to my opinion (note I said opinion, not facts), I bowed out. I think you are the sensitive soul here. I need to tread softly on people's homes? So Waterford is immune to criticism, constructive or otherwise? I think you're a bit delusional saying that you tried to offer a coherent response and I didn't want it. On top of barely replying to me, I never once disgareed with you, just had a conversation. As we do on messaging boards

So the Irish Arts Review are allowed to write positive opiniosn (which I also did), but I'm not allowed to have negative opionions? Noted. If this is the attitude everyone has in Waterford, the city will never thrive. Best of luck.

You can criticise Cork all day every day for all I care. I visited Waterford for the first time, thought I would give my opinion on it as an outsider (as I like to know people's opinions on Cork). If you can't handle people's opinions on a messaging board, you might need to reconsider your membership on here. As for your list of things to do

Cinema - why would I go to another city to go to the cinema?

Theatre - fair enough

Museums - I did them all, they're tiny and doable in two hours or less. This is an Irish (outside Dublin) problem, not a Waterford problem

Pubs - Not unique in an Irish context as a domestic tourist, what would appeal me to visit another city for a pub? Also, I don't drink

Historic walls - A wall?

Reginalds tower - Did it in 10 minutes

Greenway - A footpath? That isn't an attraction, or unique to Ireland. Extremely important for the south east and the city, but not a tourist attraction

Mountains - not in the city

Beaches - not in the city

Dunmore East - not in the city I believe

What does anyone achieve by posting their opinions on messaging boards? They're here to share our opinions. I visited the city for the first time and decided to share. If you're not interested, scroll on. Just because you don't want to do the same doesn't mean I shouldn't. I love reading reviews about Cork, from international and domestic tourists alike. I love showing people around and showing them the good and the bad. As for the car park. Great, the locals are against it, what does that change? It's still there. It's a comment I made agreeing with those against it. As for your comment on Cork, you are absoltuely correct and I hope that all happens, and if you have any other issues with Cork and ideas on how to improve them, I would love to hear them. And I'm being genuine.

I'm sorry for following a conversation about me? If the only thing you got from my post is that calling posts stupid might breach the rules, then I'm not going to engage with you anymore. As for calling me a langer.. I'm not sure what the point of that was, but I hope it satisfied whatever need you have to try insult me because I had the audacity to give my opinion on a city I visited.

I couldn't care less that you called me a langer. You are a stranger on the internet, your opinion means nothing to me (like mine shouldn't to you). Anyway, I'm done with you. Good luck.

I never once mentioned Cork

The Greenway is a bit more than a footpath,why isn’t it a tourist attraction?

I didn’t say you did. I was responding to this. “100%, and I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and someone posted a negative commentary from the OPs homestead it would not be taken as constructive criticism either... Do onto others as how you would like to be treated and the world would be a better place”

Why would it be a tourist attraction for Irish tourists? The country has many greenways. To me it’s like saying the N20 is a tourist attraction

Greenway section between Carriganore and Kilmeaden along by Mount Congreve and the River Suir is ry beautful . I use it reguarly an dot attracts many locals and tourists.

I had no dounbt that ypu would be back. Comparing the Waterford Greenway to the N20 . even in the kind of circular way you have done it, is gratuitously insulting. Are you being deiberate? Why should anyone in Waterford have to justify anything to you, which is what your object seems to be? The Greenway has been a huge success on any level I still think you are stirring.

You remind me of a previous poster whose name eludes me.

Yeah sounds like a previous poster from Waterford who used to be on here,no point even replying to them anymore it’s obvious now what they are up to.

I completely understand about the car park. My post wasn’t a dig at Waterford people, it was just purely observations. And my N20 comment was out of hand, so I’m sorry for that. I used to use the one from Blackrock to Rochestown in Cork City for work, and while it’s beautiful, to me it was just functional, like a road. But not all greenways are the same, so sorry

I would be more than happy to put my opinions into an email to councillors. I doubt it’ll make any difference, but I’ll share any replies

I think the negatives of my post got focused on too much and I ran with them after, but I want to re-emphasise the positives. Waterford City Centre is SPOTLESS. It was like a movie set it was so pristine. It was so walkable and people friendly. Very well designed. The area around Viking Triangle especially. The large chess set is genius. The Waterford Walls are genius. As I said, they drag you out of the main city centre and bring you onto streets you’d never think to go on. Plus my boyfriend is a huge graffiti/public art fan, so we spent ages trying to find them and get photos. While they’re not really my thing, there is no denying some of them are incredible. Once the main road is taken off the river, or at least the car park, the riverside will possibly one of the best in Ireland. The river is HUGE. Kinsale in Cork is similar. Big car parks all around the river/seaside. Such a waste

No.The context it was used in, is self explanatory and harmless.

Strange bloody post. People in Waterford have raised here and elsewhere the issue of city centre shopping not being up to the standard you’d expect for somewhere with Waterford’s population. Also, they frequently raise dissatisfaction with the Quay’s being a carpark. Plus, access issues to the city centre. So how you can talk about an insular view is beyond me.

Also, if someone is going to write a review type post on a thread about Waterford developments and say things like all the restaurants were booked out but the city was dead! They can only expect a what the hell are you on about response. It is not shutting anyone's argument or opinion down, its they are making no sense or are trolling.

The argument can just as equally be made to Waterford people like you in that you are too quick to find faults and say Waterford has particular issues. Only seeing the problem’s that in reality are just issues you would get anywhere.

Can we get back on topic! Any news on developments? Anything?

Anyone know what's happening with the Waterford retail park out butlerstown way, weren't decathlon supposed to be opening up there,I see posters up for the extension but still nothing happening,

Is it objections?

They also reapplied for the medical centre part of that was turned down the last time.

i know the group that owns/trades as lisduggan shopping centre put in objections.