Irish examiner article - Bishop Phonsie

12-05-2021 10:26am

Cabaal wrote: »

He's not expressing views, he's spreading baseless conspiracy theories. Especially in relation to WHO and vaccines.

You're splitting hairs here, his views are his views, regardless, I do not agree with them.

In addition population replacement is very much racist conspiracy theory, it's an extremely common idea among right wing groups and its followers.
Anyone spreading such ideas needs to be called out for what they are....a racist, clear and simple.

But sure, pretend its not :rolleyes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

I have read his published views on immigration on election leaflets and such, while not agreeing with them I am not confident that you would be able to successfully defend the view that he subscribes to that theory or is a racist. This was my point, you are making these public claims about a local man, on a local forum.

Objectionable as they are, if anything his views seem less extreme than those recently put forward by Barnier.

There's a common theme appearing in this thread, that is that defenders of the church also like to deny reality and the pain, suffering and right wing ideas spread by the church follwers. Lets not forget the harm being done by the catholic church in Poland too and the homophobic views that Catholics hold in respect of gay people.

I thought this thread was about the Bishop and the diocesan secretary? Or is it just a general free for all for you to have a go at Christ's church?

You seem to be making another lazy accusation here, that "Catholics" hold "homophobic views". These sort of disparaging generalizations about a billion plus people based merely on the fact of their religion are rather disturbing, and disappointing. You have commented on right-wing views in this thread, it has long been a trademark of the far-right to made such collective generalizations about people because they happen to be a certain religion, and demonize them collectively. You should really be more considered here, and careful with your words, because I am sure deep down you did not really mean what you said.

I can not speak on behalf of anyone else in this thread, but my comments were mainly an observation that people should have some restraint when publicly throwing around labels, particularly when they are about a local man. I reinforced this point by making reference to recent (over the last few years) incidents of RTE having to make sizable payouts to people (who probably hold even more objectionable views!) because of similar public use of lazy labels, which are not at all necessary.

I note you mention Gript, McQuirk is a hateful little man and its laughable to even mention his so called news site in any meaningful discussion.

I can see you are exercised about this, so I understand why you have missed the point I was making (and presumably McQuirk is a typo and you meant John McGuirk). My point has nothing to do with any merit the website he edits has, but rather that the Defense Forces, following contact from Gript's solicitors, felt it necessary to, at considerable expense, recall, pulp and reprint their annual magazine to remove a reference to Gript being "far-right". This is an important reference, I feel, considering that far worse labels are being applied to a private individual here.

The point is simple, there is enough to legitimately talk about without getting lazy with labels and possibly give people who are known to be litigious an opportunity to cash in.

12-05-2021 10:33am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

To be against all immigration, fair enough, I don't agree and think it ridiculously small minded but it discrminates against all foreign citizens equally...

To be against certain immigration on the grounds of religon, "culture" or race is NOT fair enough.

His wife is the same race as he is so that in itself says nothing about his views on race. What he's said / tweeted and the party manifesto he stood for electdion on are both rather problematic in this regard however.

Disturbingly it seems that even more extreme views are becoming mainstream now, with Barniers call for a ban on non-EU immigration to France/EU for five years. And we both know this is not aimed at white Americans. It's a bit more of a polished version of Trumps infamous "ban" on immigration.

But in any case, I don't agree with the comments/position on immigration, but my point was (which in fairness I think you got) that there is a need for care when throwing around labels considering the payouts people have got for lesser comments about arguably 'worse' people. "Problematic", is far safer

Yellow_Fern · 23-05-2021 4:37pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you so I'm not wasting time on the rest of your post.

I am responding good faith. Id appreciate if that was reciprocated dude.

Cabaal wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

That is Crimine solicitationies, only involved abuse by priests in confession. Privacy was involved in the investigation stage like any sex abuse investigation today. There is no basis to assume that the Holy See envisioned this process to be a substitute for any secular legal process, criminal or civil. https://www.ncregister.com/blog/promoting-justice-prosecuting-paedophiles#ixzz29YkcXKc

Cabaal wrote: »

Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you so I'm not wasting time on the rest of your post.
:rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

Then there's that time the Vatican sent an 90 year old man over to look victims in the eye and tell the victims they are lying and a catholic order saying that he was only in it for the money.

Don't believe me? I think the former Mayor of Clonmel tells it better then I ever could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQGczIx6Sg

Not sure what your point is what the video? Cross examination isn't easy. This is not exactly a church thing. Furthermore the Ryan Commission or what the Mayor of Clonmel says has nothing to do with the Vatican. The Ryan Report was was about abuse by orders and employees of orders. The Vatican would have no role in disciplining brothers who commit abuse. We don't have the details, but I presume it is some Christian brother investigator who might be in Rome but have a totally different investigation procedure?

I will say it again, there is zero evidence that that the Vatican discouraged civil investigation into abuse in any case. There is zero evidence that Vatican knowingly let abuse happen. In contrast we do know some abbot did allow abuse to happen and to a lesser extent some bishops.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Do you have any notion at all about the claims you are making? It appears not.

The church knew at that time (if not earlier) that Brendan Smyth was a serial child rapist but made no mention of this to the civil authorities. He went on to rape dozens more children. In 1991 after parents reported him to the RUC he fled Northern Ireland and hid out in his order's abbey in Cavan for three years.

His superior did cover it up. Vatican and Irish bishops didn't cover this case up.

friendlyfun wrote: »

It's funny these far right folk always claim to be followers Christ, too bad Christ's message of love, tolerance, forgiveness, being kind to strangers etc is lost on them. Wonder how they'll react when they find out Jesus was an middle eastern refugee.

No one in the discussion is far right. Do you really think you are more clued in than the people you are attacking? Really?

Yellow_Fern · 23-05-2021 4:46pm

Cabaal wrote: »

There's a common theme appearing in this thread, that is that defenders of the church also like to deny reality and the pain, suffering and right wing ideas spread by the church follwers. Lets not forget the harm being done by the catholic church in Poland too and the homophobic views that Catholics hold in respect of gay people.

I note you mention Gript, McQuirk is a hateful little man and its laughable to even mention his so called news site in any meaningful discussion.

Show us example. I can't see any. The only common theme on this thread is a debunked conspiracy theory that the Vatican knowing covered up abuse and dodgy knowledge about church structure.

Hotblack Desiato · 23-05-2021 11:18pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

In contrast we do know some abbot did allow abuse to happen and to a lesser extent some bishops.

Right. Who appointed and instructed those bishops?

killbillvol2 · 23-05-2021 11:28pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Right. Who appointed and instructed those bishops?

Don't expect an answer for about three weeks. He has to go back and check the party line with the Vatican.

Cabaal · 24-05-2021 10:07am

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The only common theme on this thread is a debunked conspiracy theory that the Vatican knowing covered up abuse and dodgy knowledge about church structure.

Conspiracy theory my backside,

Unless you think the UN and country's throughout the world are in on some big conspiracy theory?...are you really going to play the church is being persecuted card?
:rolleyes:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/un-slams-vatican-efforts-cover-pedophile-priests-sex-abuse-scandal-flna2d11939463

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/05/world/europe/un-vatican-report/index.html

I've already provided evidence on this thread of a Vatican document which gave direction to bishops, are you trying to now suggest this was made up?

Your posts here do no favours for the church, its followers like yourself that led to the problems the church had. Putting the church above the victims.

Yellow_Fern · 24-05-2021 6:05pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Conspiracy theory my backside,

Conspiracy means a plan to secretly commit crime so it's a very much a conspiracy theory, in the original sense.

Cabaal wrote: »

Conspiracy theory my backside,

Unless you think the UN and country's throughout the world are in on some big conspiracy theory?...are you really going to play the church is being persecuted card?
:rolleyes:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/un-slams-vatican-efforts-cover-pedophile-priests-sex-abuse-scandal-flna2d11939463

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/05/world/europe/un-vatican-report/index.html

I didn't read the actual UN Report but I notice this summary does not say that Vatican knowingly covered up. It then makes the odd claim that the Vatican is responsible for implementing the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child globally. What are they smoking to think that is sensible???

Cabaal wrote: »

Your posts here do no favours for the church, its followers like yourself that led to the problems the church had. Putting the church above the victims.

Crimen sollicitationis was similar any to other investigation procedure, which typically require privacy. We should not expect that good child protection that we developed in the last 15 years, should be present in a document written in 1922!

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Right. Who appointed and instructed those bishops?

Rome appointed them. They deserve blame for appointing such bad men. In regards discipline of abusers, Rome would only have been involved if a priest was being laicized, ie. if they took correct strict action.

robindch · 09-09-2023 10:52am

Bishop Phonsie is back out banging the drum - this time promoting, and may even have organized, a far-right meeting in Clonmel which is hosting anti-everything activist Tracey O'Mahony and her fella, Mike Connell, aka Satirical Soldier, an active member of Ireland's surprisingly well-funded far-right:

https://waterfordlismore.ie/education-conference-saturday-9th-september-talbot-hotel-clonmel/

https://twitter.com/EamonnVIDF/status/1700095503633903811

Cabaal · 12-09-2023 8:23am

You could be sure of one thing, like before there's a financial benefit to people with this crap.

Yellow_Fern · 15-09-2023 8:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121088604#Comment_121088604

Shame on you for trying to link standard mainstream conservative views as far right. It is cynical and dishonest. Far-right has a meaning, and it does not mean being against anything goes sex education. 15 ago, these views would have been the establishment. Eight years ago, they might have been holy joe. Now we are far right? I know one thing conservatives, like me, have not changed. It is your ilk who have changed. Ireland is lucky not to have a genuine far-right presence, but if we develop one in the future, I imagine people like you who call everyone you don't like far-right will be partially responsible for normalising the word.

Lastly, I know Fonsie. He is a very decent man who doesn't have a hating bone in his body.

dk1982 · 15-09-2023 9:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121111911#Comment_121111911

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Hotblack Desiato · 15-09-2023 10:17am

These people are far-right, conspiracy theory nonsense expressing hatred against minority groups and blaming them for the supposed ills of society. If you can't see that you must be standing too close to them

Yellow_Fern · 15-09-2023 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112336#Comment_121112336

Everyone is part of some minority but the meeting has nothing to do with minorities or trans. It is about promoting normal sex education, many people do not want 13 YOs to get guidance on how to do blow jobs or the many other dubious ideas involved. Furthermore, concerns about trans issues has nothing to do with far rightism. It isn't even a conservative vs liberal thing. It is more about believing gender sex is real a objective thing, or is something in our minds. You can believe in biology, or the gender theorists. Before people accuse me, I work in science. I have a PhD and I'm not far right.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-09-2023 1:23pm

Yeah, sure, the people who spent years blocking any sort of sex education in Irish schools at all now want 'normal' sex education (whatever that is - strong implication that anything not fully in accordance with RC teaching is 'abnormal')

Sorry but their credibility is zero on this issue.

But if parents have concerns about the actual content of the syllabus (as opposed to the scaremongering) they can always withdraw their child, just as we withdraw ours from the daily religious brainwashing, that is their right.

Gardner · 15-09-2023 3:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121111911#Comment_121111911

Far right and the catholic church go hand in hand. Church supported the Nazi's in the past and probably still would today if they were generally around, especially with the catholic church modern day views on woman and the LGBTQ community.

comes a time in life were you tell your kids Santa Claus and the Easter bunny aren't real, there's still a few adults in Ireland who weren't told the same about God/Jesus/the fairy in the sky etc.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-09-2023 4:03pm

Mussolini created the Vatican pseudo-state, that's the sort of favour that does not go unrewarded

Yellow_Fern · 15-09-2023 4:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121114026#Comment_121114026

Hitler is one the few politician that I can think in world history who had an entire Papal Encyclical attacking him (Mit brennender Sorge). Uniquely, this was written in German, not in the churches language of Latin. Interestingly enough, there was also one attacking Mussolini (Non abbiamo bisogno). While many bishops and priests were murdered by the Nazis, many for their criticism, others for protecting Jews. In one camp, over 1500 priests were killed. I know this as my own fomer parish church's patron was one of these priest martyrs.

Both Hitler and Mussolini, despite being raised in deeply Catholic environments, did not practise Catholicism. Both hated the faith and organised religion. Hitler went as far as to deny Jesus was Jewish (Positives Christentum). To start, maybe watch the beautiful 2019 film 'A Hidden Life' about a Catholic martyr who resisted Hitler. I will leave you with his own words.

“Which Catholic would dare to declare these raids, which Germany had already undertaken in some countries, and continues to carry out, to be a just and holy war?... Who dares to assert that among the German people in this war only one person bears the responsibility, and why then did so many millions of Germans have to give their ‘Yes’ or ‘No’? Who can manage to be a soldier of Christ and at the same time a soldier of national socialism?”

Hotblack Desiato · 16-09-2023 11:31am

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Hotblack Desiato · 16-09-2023 11:41am

Phonsie is a right-wing weirdo who tried to ban yoga in schools! Man is a head case.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1018/1084312-yoga-bishop-school/

A Catholic bishop has written to schools to warn them against the use of yoga during class time and said that it is "not of Christian origin".

A spokesman for Bishop Alphonsus Cullinan, of the Waterford and Lismore diocese, confirmed that primary schools in the diocese under the patronage of the Catholic Church had received the letter, which also asked teachers to pray the rosary with their pupils.

Last year, Bishop Cullinan said that he is establishing a "delivery ministry" of exorcists to deal with evil spirits and also warned people against the use of Reiki and new age healing because they could be channeling "the wrong spirit".

Wanderer78 · 16-09-2023 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117621#Comment_121117621

he sounds like a right fcuking idiot alright, if he feels yoga is threatening the church, the church truly is fcuked!

Yellow_Fern · 18-09-2023 7:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121114298#Comment_121114298

Very tenuous. You are trying to cast aspersions, but you have no substance so you dont even specify.

Yellow_Fern · 18-09-2023 7:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121117621#Comment_121117621

He is right about Yoga. People should be deliberate about their actions. People should not 'go along' with things. Doing a few yoga stretches isn't harmful but doing it properly as a discipline is a Hindu at of prayer. You shouldn't do that if you don't believe in Hindu concepts. I would have thought as a secularist, you'd feel the same way.

I dont know if he would call himself as right wing, but there is nothing wrong with being right wing. It is a healthy part of the political landscape.

Wanderer78 · 18-09-2023 11:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124529#Comment_121124529

holy fcuk! so yoga is bad for people, even though its well documented now that it helps people maintain good well being, and is even well recommended for those of us that struggle with mental health issues?

Cabaal · 19-09-2023 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112667#Comment_121112667

Lets just get things straight here, in the eyes of the catholic church

Condom use is not good.
Sex before marriage isn't good.
Being a grown adult and deciding to not have any sexual relationship with another adult for your entire life is fantastic.

The catholic church's views on what is normal or not when it comes to sex and relationships is very much warped.

As for schools, the church has always been against sex education in our schools. The current situation and conpsiracry theories being pushed by the religious is just another version of the satanic panic....as we all later learned it was the religious groups that parents should have most worried about when it came to children.

Yellow_Fern · 19-09-2023 2:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121129355#Comment_121129355

You promote a view of human sexuality and I respect your view, but study after study shows that Catholic sexuality is healthy and leads to optimising your chance of stable relationships, good sex lives, stable families and society.

As for schools, no that is not true that it has always been against sex education. It has always been against poor sex education. While your priority might be teaching kids concepts like liberation in reality, the sex education is not necessary high quality. Hence the furore about guides on how to do blow jobs. Sometimes it teaches false concepts that gender is expressed on a spectrum in my minds alone, no actually, gender is bimodal and deeply linked to biology.

I image we share a lot of values. We probably bought have positive views towards seeking love in a sexual relationship or teaching responsibility to your sexual partner or teaching that marriage is an important goal but many sexual education programmes make no mention of this. There is nothing warning about the risk of regret. Nothing on marriage. Nothing on delayed gratification. Catholic views of sex have a lot to offer, even to secular people.

19-09-2023 3:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130142#Comment_121130142

study after study shows that Catholic sexuality is healthy and leads to optimising your chance of stable relationships, good sex lives, stable families and society

You'll be able to list and link to study after study then, that shows all this ?

Yellow_Fern · 19-09-2023 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130512#Comment_121130512

This is really nothing to do with our bishop but sure. Happy to link to social science studies of interest. What do you need?

19-09-2023 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130519#Comment_121130519

Well, study after study that "shows that Catholic sexuality is healthy and leads to optimising your chance of stable relationships, good sex lives, stable families and society" would be a cracking start. I would have thought that was pretty obvious though.

Wanderer78 · 19-09-2023 4:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130538#Comment_121130538

...this should be interesting, be interesting see what institutions those studies come from to!

Cabaal · 19-09-2023 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130142#Comment_121130142

First thing is first, if you are teaching teenagers about sexual intercourse then its extremely reasonable to also teach them about stuff like going down on their partner. Oral sex is after all a perfectly normal part of a healthy sexual relationship.

But its evident you don't agree because you call blow jobs a "dubious idea", what exactly makes oral sex dubious? I'd welcome your detailed view on this.

Very simply, if the catholic church wants to teach its views then let it use the massive empty church's it has up and down the country to express its views on religion and sex. Freedom from religion in our education system is part of our constitution and the catholic church needs to keep its oar out of our government funded schools.

Anyone that is religious that does not agree with sex education in schools can choose to opt out. They will only miss out on a extremely tiny amount of the school year by doing so. Meanwhile anyone wanting to opt out of catholic religion misses out on 10% of the school year (thats as much time as the schools spent on maths!).

It's a bit rich for the catholic church, which as we all know is run by men who deny themselves the most natural, normal thing in the world (that is a sexual connection with another adult) to label gay people as unnatural and to comment about how oral sex is bad. 🤣.

Yellow_Fern · 19-09-2023 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121130773#Comment_121130773

I am not engaging with someone keeps changing topics and introducing new topics like school patronage. Sorry but my time is too valuable.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-09-2023 1:22am

How convenient

Of course these issues are relevant. This man, with his bizarre views, elected by nobody, accountable only to the pope(!), has a significant say in the running of a large number of taxpayer-funded schools. Parents are not opposed to either yoga or sex education but their views count for nothing.,

Cabaal · 20-09-2023 8:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121131802#Comment_121131802

Its all part of the one topic, our schools and children's education.

But since you seem incapable of discussing the topic, where are those countless studies you made claims about? You made a claim, you've been asked for the evidence.

If you'd rather not provide them then we'll all assume you've made a false claim.

Gardner · 20-09-2023 8:35am

yellow fern, what an absolute **** lu la

Hotblack Desiato · 20-09-2023 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121132612#Comment_121132612

Phonsie and friends have made a very good career out of that sort of thing 😉

Yellow_Fern · 20-09-2023 11:56am

Evidence of a scientific reasoning for Catholic teaching sexuality-

Fewer sexual partners improves marriage quality-https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/

More sexual partners can result in more divorce- https://www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/the-new-resilience/201606/do-women-more-premarital-partners-get-divorced-less

Cohabitation results in higher divorce rates- https://www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/202101/are-couples-that-live-together-before-marriage-more-likely-to

Conservatives have better sex lives? https://www.vice.com/en/article/paeekv/why-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-than-liberals

Yellow_Fern · 20-09-2023 11:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121132365#Comment_121132365

You say parents support sex education and yoga, well when parents show opposition, you smear their reputations by calling them far right and driven by hatred? Damned if we do, damned if we don't. If I was, one of those there, I'd sue for libel.

Wanderer78 · 20-09-2023 12:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133420#Comment_121133420

...its also important to remember the damage of catholic shaming, such as shaming separation and divorce, shaming birth outside of marriage, has also had on our society, and the long term damage it to has done to families and individuals of these families.....

Cabaal · 20-09-2023 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133420#Comment_121133420

oh fantastic,

So you are linking news stories and not actually proper studies that have been properly peer reviewed. 😂

Well in that case....

Swingers And Polyamorists May Have More Satisfying Sex Lives Than Monogamists

https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/2018/4/16/swingers-and-polyamorists-may-have-more-satisfying-sex-lives-than-monogamists/

Atheist marriages may last longer than Christian ones

https://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/atheist_marriages_may_last_longer_than_christian_ones_partner/

20-09-2023 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133420#Comment_121133420

Thanks for the effort, however those links are to articles and surveys, not actual studies. You said "study after study" so surely they can't be that hard to find ?

By the way, the second link actually says the opposite of what you think ("wider acceptance of premarital sex today has made it more likely that its impact on marriage instability would decline") so maybe you need to read the things you are linking to a bit more carefully.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-09-2023 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133428#Comment_121133428

Nobody has called these groups (not parents - these are external anti-LGBT agitator groups, some based outside this state) anything which isn't amply borne out by their associations, track record, and their own utterances. So good luck with that. The question is why is Phonsie inviting these people? I can only conclude that he concurs with their views and, at the very least, does not disapprove of their methods.

robindch · 21-09-2023 11:10am

robindch · 21-09-2023 11:17am

[Yellow_Fern] Shame on you for trying to link standard mainstream conservative views as far right. It is cynical and dishonest. [...] I know one thing conservatives, like me, have not changed. It is your ilk who have changed.

Not sure if you got a chance to check the link I provided, or read my post before replying to it, but Bishop Phonsie was actively promoting an event which promoted far-right views and which hosted Tracey O'Mahony whose partner, Mike Connell is an active member of Ireland's far-right. Ms O'Mahony and Mr Connell could well wish that their far-right views were "mainstream conservative" as the marketing opportunities for far-right scams would be correspondingly greater.

BTW, referring to your fellow-posters, including forum mods, as "your ilk" is against the forum charter. You will find that engaging with some civility will do much to prevent you from acquiring cards, bans, etc.

Ireland is lucky not to have a genuine far-right presence

Presumably the thugs outside the Dail last night screaming obscenities and threatening the country's elected politicians - even right-wing dog-whistlers like Mr Healy-Rae - were just, I don't know, "concerned citizens"?

https://twitter.com/valerie70154568/status/1704505043397857654

21-09-2023 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133420#Comment_121133420

Here's a couple of actual studies to help you along as you seem to be finding it difficult to locate them :

BMJ Global Health https://gh.bmj.com/content/8/3/e010556

"Conclusion Most of the family outcomes are similar between sexual minority and heterosexual families, and sexual minority families have even better outcomes in some domains."

National Library Of Medicine

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4091994/

"To date the consensus in the recent social science literature is clear: children living with two same-sex parents fare just as well as children residing with two different-sex parents."

Yellow_Fern · 23-09-2023 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134143#Comment_121134143

They are popular articles based on specific studies. Youd find them more digestible. The authors were working under a premise that premartial sex would have a no impact. Yet they found it.

Yellow_Fern · 23-09-2023 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134513#Comment_121134513

You couldnt prove these people are far right if you life depended on it.

Yellow_Fern · 23-09-2023 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137580#Comment_121137580

Funny how you say nothing when posters call me *** lula, or heap personal abuse on Fonsie. Ilk is not a slur. **** lulu is a horrible slur. maybe Apply some standards to your side. Tribalism is bad. None of the event in Clonmel is far right. Show proof that Tracey O'Mahony and Mike Connell are far right. Do you label and slander or do you have substance?

Hotblack Desiato · 23-09-2023 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121145926#Comment_121145926

Deflection.

Why is Phonsie endorsing these odious people?

Hotblack Desiato · 23-09-2023 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121145942#Comment_121145942

Report the post then (And yes it is out of order imo) but, afaik, robindch is not a moderator in this forum so I'm not sure exactly who you expect them to 'apply standards' to, or how.

Mike Connell is a far-right activist and racist, that is not up for debate. He calls for the murder of elected representatives on a regular basis.

Irish examiner article - Bishop Phonsie

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