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The Hurt Locker: Ireland v South Africa. Saturday 23rd September. Stade DeFrance

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,029 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well as things stand they'll play France if they get out of the group which I think they will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Back-3 balance is under-rated.

    Lowe is power and kicks

    Hansen is finisher and creativity

    Keenan is composure and high balls.

    Blessed



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭Longing


    Working and came in late 65mins on the clock. RTE were a shambles I only realized this when I watched the highlights back on ITV. RTE had the final score wrong at the bottom of the screen for five mins after the game. Were they not watching.

    Then

    Cut off end game celebrations just realized how bad when I watched ITV+1. The atmosphere the crowd the singing, Hugging from both sets of players. The singing brought a tear to my eyes very emotional for a epic game. Shambolic display from RTE knowing the spotlight was on them from the major corruption within the organization. Ireland thank you, You brought happiness to each Houshold in the country tonight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 ennuD05


    @cmac2009 thats the song World Rugby picked i think. Same for each team in the competition should they be victorious



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    The coverage at the end on ITV really got the sense of atmosphere in the ground.

    How RTE thought it was a good idea Not to show any of it, simply demonstrates how amateurish they are.

    Night and day coverage in essence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Saying they left 11 points out there is not accurate...they scored eventually a try off the faff one that came off the post. The other faff miss came from Ireland not exiting from the drop out after the libbok miss ...

    Off course I think going for the corner would have yielded points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,640 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭raclle


    They left points out there on the reflection of the match. We realistcally should have lost and they were missing at least 4 players.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Well backwards, for me. Pass ends up 2.5-3.5m further up the field, while the passer is roughly 8m further up the field at the point his pass is caught.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Great win in the end and no injuries is a huge bonus after that physical battle.

    I know that they’ll have done the analysis on this but it feels wrong to kick possession back to your opponent twice in the last couple of minutes when they need that possession to try to manufacture a try.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,605 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I understand in trusting our defense, but we almost fucked it there. That last maul was pretty harrowing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Seadin


    No harm to put SA back in their box. Some of their fans were cocky all week disrespecting our number 1 status and not taking us seriously. They better start believing that Ireland are going to get to the final. We can beat NZ provided the players believe they can do it. This is a great Irish side and will take beating.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think it's a great start, 3 games, no injuries. Beat SA not playing particularly well but by being totally committed.

    We can only improve. About 6 players below scratch. You'll never have all 15 in top form but we can definitely get 2 or 3 more doing more. All good. 2 weeks to the Scots. Who realistically haven't troubled us since 2001 (bar 2010 messing up a triple crown and the bus incident in 2017).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Seadin


    I was thinking what are the doing, are they trying to lose the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,722 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    They did but some of the penos missed were half chances at best. Manufactured a try scoring opportunity and evential try from a fluke penalty hitting the post.


    We didn't get to their line much, but we were a handling error away from having an early try we couldve been more comfortable too had we not knocked on at that point. There's loads of ways to look at the overall match



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The major outcome of this game is that we have either put south Africa or France out of the tournament, not a bad days work.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    South Africa are over coached

    That traffic light system coming from the coaching bench is an insult to the team, especially the team captain and leaders.

    If the bokke want to win this competition, which they actually can, they need to rid themselves of that dictator who pretends to be a DOR



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭supermans ghost


    A great victory tonight, bit it will be worth nothing unless the players can stay focused for the Scotland game and then getting this quarter final monkey off their backs, if they don’t advance past the quarter finals at a minimum, then this World Cup is a failure for Ireland like all the previous ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,545 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    I can't see Andy Farrell letting the slip.It's going to be one game at a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Without catching up on the last 24 pages of unread posts in this thread...

    Well done Ireland.

    If I wasnt a supporter of either team, that game wouldve been brilliant, exactly what you wouldve wanted from these 2 teams.

    As a SA fan, if that was the final I might have smashed the tv in frustration at the piss poor kicking. We couldve won that, or even a draw at the minimum, so in my mind we lost the game, more than Ireland won the game, if that makes sense.

    SA vs France

    Ireland vs NZ

    SA vs Ireland final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Scythica


    Was at the game. So frisking physical it felt. And no cards!

    Think we definitely got lucky in a few calls but the best teams always seem to be 'lucky'. Hendo and Baird had great impact when coming on I felt.

    Atmosphere was great but must admit France Namibia Atmosphere was another level entirely, was a party entire time.

    Sore bodies and heads today I'm sure. Allez les verts!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Incredibly intense game. Reminded me of the time we beat NZ in the Aviva when both teams went at it.

    Thought we were lucky in the end. Pollard wouldn't have missed those but in a way his strength has made SA too reliant on goal kicks to win. They really try to put the squeeze on you.

    At 30 mins or so I had hope as we had taken a battering and the lineout and scrum was in real trouble but we were just 3 - 0 down.

    Credit to Ire and POM as they went to shorter lineouts and made the big Saffers move up and down the lineout and not have an easy target for a jump. The kind of onfield problem solving that Farrell has mentioned.

    A lot of decisions went against us in the first half and thankfully as things happen more of the decisions went our way in the 2nd half.

    The good thing is we didn't play our best but still beat the world champions, who could well knock France out now if Pollard is back and Ntamack + Dupont are out. Interesting that a couple of the Irish players mentioned in post match interviews that we could be meeting again.

    Glad we have the 2 week break. Scotland won't be easy but hopefully the team will build and improve from here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    I really don’t think he made a lot of mistakes. Reading online away from Irish or SA forums or websites he barely gets a negative mention. That was the biggest match to date and no one is talking about the ref having a howler. I fully expect him to get one of the ¼ finals based on last nights display. The only ref so far who definitely won’t be going deeper into the tournament imo is carley.

    But leaving that aside, you should just enjoy a magnificent win for Ireland rather than a ref whinge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭The Guru 123


    If it was me I wouldn’t be doing too much mocking until they’re out. Brilliant performance but I think a lot of Irish fans could be reminded there’s nothing won yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭deezell


    Bomb Squads, Finishers, all these populist cliche tactics end in tears eventually. A win is a win, its a whole team of 23, 80 minute effort.

    On a lighter note, Bundee in his post match interview, said "Ah, shure look....' Straight out of The Sunday Game! Even these lads in Nante last week thought they were in Croker!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Seadin


    But we didn't. If my aunt had balls she be my uncle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭swiwi_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,760 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    The term ‘Mentality Monsters’ was coined by Jurgen Klopp about his great Liverpool side that swept all before them a few years ago…

    I think it’s a term we can now apply to this Irish team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I don't know about that. If SA had to maul their way over the line at the end, there would be lots of questions asked about why we kicked the ball away with 2 minutes to go and why we gave away a penalty to give them field position



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Seadin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,760 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah I’m not sure how well trying to play keep ball would have worked out for those 2 minutes in our own half with the speed at which SA attach the ball leaving rucks…. Get the ball as far away as possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If we win the world cup maybe. But for now I think all I can agree with is for an Irish side, this group definitely seem to be the most mentally strong I've seen in my lifetime.

    They are winning games we always lost in the past. But there's such a long way to go. If they lose in the QF then they'll have done nothing different to any other Irish team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Great win, tough as expected but we're the best team in the world and it's going to be extremely hard to beat us. South Africa threw everything at us. I don't think we'll face anything like that from Scotland, New Zealand or in the semi final. It's looking really good, especially with the rest we get now. Just to remind everyone, the final is on the bank holiday weekend so we have the Monday off but maybe book Tuesday off as well. 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Kicking the ball away definitely didn't work out well. We should definitely have gone through a few phases to use up some of that 2 minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭Hippo


    SA of course paid the price for not having a decent place kicker. Nevertheless, if Pollard is picked their backline won't operate nearly as effectively. It's not simply a matter of presuming that if he had played last night they would have won, it would have been a different game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 startupfood


    I was frustrated too but in actuality, reckon decisions like that are all based around stats/probability, they're not made in game. They'd have worked out that kicking ball anyway in that part of the pitch, at the time, gives us the best chance of holding out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Fair enough. Giving away the penalty was frustrating. You couldn't see SA scoring a try from halfway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,627 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I had a crisis at the 50th minute when the SA pack changed and immediately mangled our scrum. The fact that we managed to get that under control is why we won that game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    We need to give some players a break against Scotland, leave them on the bench available to come on if needed. I could see a situation where we get physically battered in a win at all costs match for Scotland, a NZ team out to prove a point, then fall to England or some other second rate team coming in fresh off the other side of the draw.

    It's possibly the most lopsided tournament I've seen in any international sport. They really need to sort out their seeding next time. Having the top 5 teams in the world on one side of the draw in a sport where really only 8 compete at the top table is an absolute shambles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭almostover


    I disagree, SA are lethal at the breakdown and if we hung onto the ball they would have been hunting for a turnover penalty which would have given them field position for a maul try. Also, the refs are very picky on sealing off penalties when a team is just trying to hang onto the ball through multiple phases at the end of a game. We pinned them back with those long kicks and looked comfortable enough defending their attempts to make it down field. Only for that Dan Sheehan penalty SA were struggling to enter our half of the pitch with ball in hand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭tbm


    Two of the SA missed kicks were from 50m+. On any day that’s a gamble. And without your first choice kicker it’s a serious gamble. Why didn’t they go to the corner? They didn’t fancy it because Ireland were defending well.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Right; because beating France (at home) or NZ, in a world cup, are gimmies



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    What happens if Kolisi doesn't agree with Rassie on something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Indeed. South Africa have lost at this stage and gone on to win the competition. People saying South Africa threw it away with the missed kicks, well if Ireland's line out was not misfiring they could well have scored more points too. The highlight of the game for me was Etzebeth being lifted into the air! It underlined the immense defensive effort Ireland put into the game. If Ireland do meet New Zealand in a quarter Final, based on that performance, they should beat them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Thud


    Surprised the SA try stood, flung the pass while static outside the five meter line and was caught about 2 meters from try line very obvious with pitch markings.

    Fafs deliberate knock on and Etzebeths multiple fouls could have been cards on another day too



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I think it makes all of the groups competitive and interesting all the way through. It's much less entertaining when there's a clear best, second best, third best in each group.

    It's crap luck for the teams who will go out earlier than their talent merits, no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Watching the game back again and I noticed at the time that for all Libbock's kicks where he was left of the post he had the ball aiming wide left as well.


    Bold tactic when he hooked all 3.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Really like the 23. They will throw everything at us in the first 20-25. Bit like the game in November. They’ll try and go through us and grind us down. If we can withstand that, Ireland to win by 5 with Crowley to come on and nail the kick to win it with the game hanging in the balance.

    From the preview thread earlier in the week. I wasn’t too far off 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Augme



    They need to get rid of the person who coached them to a win a world cup four years ago? Im not sure thats makes much sense.



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