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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Not for the fans though, especially away fans. Easier to just scrap the blackout



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's actually wild, in last few years I've started listening to audiobooks cause it's an affordable price to get any book each month from audible. Meanwhile the likes of sky continue to increase price like it's twenty years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    It’s just too expensive to get sky sports. The only sport I watch is the bigger golf events. I have no interest in football or tennis or cricket.

    I might just sign up to now tv day pass on the Sunday of the golf events I want to watch. Like the majors or the fed ex cup or race to Dubai.

    If Sky’s prices were even half sensible I’d probably sign up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,799 ✭✭✭jj880


    If by "those" you mean buying randomly off Facebook or Twitter then yes. Not only do you not know who you're buying from but I think with the clampdown at the moment theres more chance anyone who is selling publicly like that could get shut down. A few have posted already theyve paid a sub and their IPTV disappeared shortly afterwards.

    Try to get a recommendation from someone you know whos been happy with their IPTV seller for a few years already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I'd encourage people to look outside the EU. No chance of getting caught.

    At 70 quid a year it's a risk I'm willing to take.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    all services have risks, protect yourself by using payment methods such as paypal, revolut virtual etc, most services have inbuilt problems such as the odd bit of buffering, freezing, and the odd fcuk up, so.....

    some services offer short term payment options, monthly, quarterly, half yearly, yearly etc, so take your pick, generally cheaper over a yearly option, so...

    ...no harm in creating an alternative email account, probably best not to use your main account, other false details can be used, name, address etc etc....

    ...as others have said, probably best to ask friends, family, neighbors, work mates etc etc, for recommendations....



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭RedCardKid


    Bit odd to tell someone to protect themselves by using an alternative email address and then advise using Paypal ... Revolt etc. Sure the first place a cop will go is to the payment method as all bank accounts are verified, unlike email addresses. Best way to pay for things like this over the internet is either with bitcoin which has been well mixed or using an Amazon voucher or the likes bought over the counter. Know about a case in Germany where the DPP over there couldnt get the server, however the clown who was running the show had everyone pay per Paypal ... meaning they had easy pickings. All users got post and fines of approx. €350 for every year paid.


    Best way to do it would be to pay cash to someone you know and to invest in a stable VPN with kill switch on the device you are watching on or on your main router. You are right, all services have risks and the biggest risk is that users get greedy and expect others to protect them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...oh ffs, cops are not gonna start busting through peoples doors over this, even if they do, you could probably ask them what service they use!

    ...its very rare for users to be arrested over this, its simply too complicated, and theres simply too many people engaging in these services, no country has the resources to start chasing end users, hence why generally only those running the services are the ones arrested and charged, so, plough on lads!

    yes some countries will pursue end users, most wont, hence why most probably use paypal and the likes, and you ll probably be fine doing so, or our courts will become very full, very quickly!

    bitcoin! gimme a fcuking break!

    again, most users use methods such as paypal, with no vpn or other nonsense, and they ll more than likely be fine, by all means use the end of the world methods mentioned, yes they will give you better protection, but really!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭RedCardKid


    Where did I say anything about breaking down doors ... I said they got post and fines were issued. Nice to see that you are an expert, you obviously know it all .... if people follow your advice they will be like sitting ducks should their supplier get caught. It is all about reducing the risk of getting caught .... but keep dishing out your top of the range advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,799 ✭✭✭jj880


    Are end users being reprimanded? Sheeeit Ive been paying with revolut. I thought it was just the sellers getting punished...

    Post edited by jj880 on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahahah, would yea go way outta that nonsense! no ones getting caught, nobody gives a fcuk, people have been using these services for years, and theyre currently at home screaming at the box, and or pulling the micky off themselves...

    ...shur its a well known fact, i knows everything, i does! so feel free to ask me for any advice at all, anything!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I think it’s only a matter of time before the internet providers like Vodafone are pressured into stopping these dodgy boxes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..ah shur they tried that before, im not so sure it worked, they ll try again though, but.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They'll find it hard, even cracking down on torrenting hasn't really worked and that's been attempted for decades.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,452 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The premier League have a court order telling Vodafone they must block ips linked to streaming that the premier League provide them.

    They can't block IPTV as it's used for legal traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,229 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But these dodgy boxes are themselves not dodgy, they are totally legit android boxes that can have totally legit IPTV services running on them like Now TV, Netflix etc.

    All Vodafone can is block sites that are used to access illegal IPTV services, but once one is blocked a totally new one will appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Just to echo the last post, the android box is a legal piece of hardware running the android tv operating system. It's up to the end user to sign up to and install whatever application that permits access to an illegal IPTV service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    It might come to pass that ISP's will be told to block IPTV. Like torrenting they will block some well known IP addresses. It will have zero results in the grand scheme of things.

    Thankfully it's so easy to get a decent package and so hard for Sky to stop that the only way Sky can fight back is to look at the package they deliver and the prices they charge.

    Vodafone, Eir, Virgin etc have zero interest in blacklisting services or IP Addresses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,452 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Its already happening. The ISPs you listed might have no interest in doing it but they have to follow a court order.

    Premier League internet streaming blocking order extended for another year (breakingnews.ie)



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no, carry on....

    ...id say sky may not be able to change their business plan, id say they have astonishing amount of debt on their books, and with rising rates, this probably leaves them with very few options to change, so, on we go....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,229 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Thankfully it's so easy to get a decent package and so hard for Sky to stop that the only way Sky can fight back is to look at the package they deliver and the prices they charge.

    Once again the ire is misdirected at Sky.

    The problem is more to do the premier league, i.e the clubs, not Sky.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭Shoog


    As I have said before Vodafone block these by forcing you to use their routers with all DNS traffic sent automatically to their servers. Control the DNS and you control what services can be accessed. This is the future.

    I cancelled Vodafone for this reason but it will become the norm as all ISP are pressured to cut out piracy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,386 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...id say its a bit of all of the above, the corporatisation/financialisation of sport is failing, this is one of the fall outs....



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Yeah that's partially correct. However I think the blame lies in both camps to be perfectly honest. 1 small example of that is Sky pundits. Some of them are getting more now than when they actually played the game.

    I agree re the PL and the gouging they are doing to fans. That's why I will never lose any sleep over having IPTV subs. Before they try laying a guilt trip on the average man sitting at home maybe they should ask Haaland or Salah to take a pay cut so that cleaning staff or tea ladies don't get laid off. 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    With this type of action been taken by an ISP. Would using a VPN or a router provided by a VPN make any difference?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Is this Vodafones own fiber lines? I have Siro through Vodafone and have no issues with IPTV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    AFAIK If you use VPN software, your ISP only sees the IP address of the VPN server. The VPN server handles everything else. Open to be corrected or to be provided with more clarity on this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It still messed my system up even with a VPN. They fairly much tell you that you have to use their router. It's possible to use your own if you know how but I couldn't get it to work.

    I run a pi-hole DNS and the conflict between it and the Vodafone router caused three routers to completely lock up and stop working.

    So far Eir and Sky have not gone down that route, but I think they will come under pressure to follow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    I know Express VPN are selling their own routers. By using their software and their router, would that make any difference?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭Shoog


    If you can set them up it should bypass the DNS. As I said there are people who have managed to use their own routers but I couldn't manage it. It involves vlan tagging of all traffic and setting up your login details which they won't give you.

    Do some research before jumping in.



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