Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

I wouldn't disagree with any of your points. Personally, I've come around to the belief that Brexit is a great idea - for the EU and Ireland. Brexit UK and its media are totally dysfunctional and the current version of it would be a terrible fit for the union....it's actually good news that they are out.

Easy to define a disaster in this instance. They were assured by Vote Leave that Brexit would improve their lives using numerous different metrics - in fact there were no downsides whatsoever to leaving according to these shysters. None of it has come to pass.

UK GDP down about 5% of where it would be if they didn't leave is a disaster is it not, considering the benefits that Brexit was meant to bring. Imagine that happening over here on top of all the other crap that's happened over the last few years.

Did any of the Brexit promises happen? Pretty much all of their promises of benefits turned out to be exactly the opposite. If you did that in your work what would your boss define it as?

And they haven't even fully implemented it yet. They haven't set up checks at the borders as even Rees Mogg has admitted itd be a significant cost to consumers.

I'm not sure if most people in the UK are doing alright too like you say. The poverty increase is not all down to Brexit obviously, but did it help in any way at all?

The bizarre thing is that the vast bulk of the ECHR is taken up with trying to protect the rights of British citizens from their own government.

The debate around refugees has become so toxic though (and deeply racist of course) that the only part of the ECHR they want to discuss is how it impacts on the rights of refugees arriving on their shores.

It isn't a disaster — more of a permanent slow puncture.

Per the opinion polls, it has been settled for some time that a majority in the UK think that Brexit was a mistake, and that a majority would vote to join in a new referendum, but also that a majority don't want and don't expect a new referendum. A chunk of those who in principle want to join just can't face re-entering the toxic politics of Brexit again.

I love that so many Brexiters still can't admit they were wrong and are just blaming the politicians for not delivering fantasy land Brexit.

And yes it's a dead end as an election issue and will only bore people into switching off.

Tragedy + time = comedy.

We're probably a couple of election cycles away from EU membership being back on the agenda, UKIP started in 1993, just over four election cycles to Cameron promising a brexit vote.

The rejoin cohort is now much bigger than the UKIP fringe back then so as a movement it could be back to a referendum by 2034.

Another global recession could accelerant the process.

They were until they saw the EEC become the EU and start getting involved in areas like workers rights, environmental standards, and the final straw, the taxing of billionaires. That could not be tolerated.

The central plank of brexit was controlling immigration, and the perception is that that's actually gotten worse since leaving the EU.

At the time of the referendum there were as many voters over 55 as there were under, and older voters vote more often. The demographics that mostly voted remain in 2016 will be greater in 2034 and the cohort who staunchly voted leave will be reduced by simply dying off.

That older voter in 2016 at least had a memory of the UK being a wealthy country with a strong purchasing power, whereas the purchasing power of some former eastern bloc countries are projected to surpass the UK in coming years. That's where going it alone will wear thin with the younger cohorts.

Not so sure about that, there was rationing well into the 1950s and strict post-war austerity for most of that decade, the UK had a protracted sterling crisis in the 1960s and after a few years of turmoil was forced to devalue its fixed exchange rates. Then in the 1970s it all went to pot again and the IMF had to come in in 1975. Oddly I never heard anything said about the latter when it was UK commentators talking about Ireland's economic strife...

Brexit: the gift that keeps on giving:

I'm sure that he Authorities in the R of I would not have taken any action, so mayne its down to pedantic jobsworths in the NHS administration.