Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Wagner not having a good year. From the crash a few days ago.

Flew from Minsk Belarus, before getting ready to depart for Turkey, some reports are saying it belonged to the Mali military,I'm sure we'll know more details,it happened on Saturday

There is no statue on limitations on war crimes but that wasn't my point.

My point was there is a limitation on who can be prosecuted.

Having to move a palliative care unit into a court room while some lad dribbles and shíts himself oblivious to why he is there is neither Justice or in the public interest.

Demjanjuk it is worth noting died technically "innocent".

Saw this clip from a few twitter posters. Funny that he doesn't mention an attack of the HQ.

Just the usual stuff, rewards on 18-09-23.

Still think its an old video.

Why can't they record a video where he says, the rumours are false, i survived an HQ attack?

I'm confused. This is the video I was discussing. This is the same video that I quoted from @zv2 and was referencing like 3 posts earlier where the guy doesn't mention anything at all about the strike. And is supposedly standing in the middle of the prestine Black Sea HQ which as we know is a smoking ruin currently.

Ukrainian intelligence could be mistaken on this one. But a video of the dude sitting still and silently on a call in a war room meeting(I could make this one myself) and another interview of the guy on an undisclosed date without mention of any attack on say, their landing ships and submarine/dry dock or their HQ is not in any way convincing. Especially when you factor in the Kremlin being completely fact adjacent most of the time.

We had a situation a while back where supposedly Zaluzhny had been killed or grievously wounded by a missile attack. And then a few days later a reporter giving the days date and a summary of the rumours had the man alive and well on camera in a close up interview. Until Ukraine reverts on their claim or we get confirmation of this kind I'm just gonna assume the man is dead. Russia don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Serves them right for tripping over themselves to virtue signal

Worth bearing in mind that American government approved a 2 billion loan to Poland to help expand it's military force.

I could be mistaken but the loan comes from the lend lease program that was offered to all the Eastern European countries that are nato members.

Burst tyre?

Russian war 'heroes'-

Anton Gerashchenko

@Gerashchenko_en

I sometimes see Westerners saying that the more human losses Russia sustains, the more injured and traumatized Russians return back home, the sooner public opinion will change and Russians will start opposing the war.

Many Ukrainians, including myself, have thought so, too, in the first months of the war. We addressed Russian mothers, Russian women, told them that their sons and husbands will be killed or maimed. We got very little feedback and virtually no results.

For the Russians these dead soldiers are "heroes who protected the Motherland". And Russians choose to see them this way, empowered by propaganda and ideology - Russia is very good at hero-izing the dead. They refuse to realize that it was their country that invaded another state, their country that kills, loots, rapes and injures civilians in Ukraine; that these Russian soldiers are murderers and villains. In fact, for many of Russian women life becomes better with their men gone - a lot of them had drinking problems, abused their families, did not work proper jobs. Usually the people who get mobilized or sign contracts with the Russian army are from specific social circles - the educated middle class (a broad generalization) is not keen to go to war. Usually it's poorer men from distant villages who are in the trenches. So now these women can live freely and get a substantial amount of money from the government, living with a glossed over memory of their son, husband or father. In a way, that reassures them that Russia is doing everything right. And as Russia has over 140 million people, it has a virtually endless resource of cannon fodder.

As for the injured - Russia mostly hides its invalids inside, so no one sees them and remembers them. After WWII people who lost limbs or had other deformities were even sent to special "colonies" so they wouldn't get in contrast with the shiny myth of the great victory. What Russians don't see, they don't care about.

So these incredible losses of the Russian army serve more to mobilize and inspire the Russian society and increase Putin's approval ratings. This prolongs the war, and the longer the war lasts, the harder it will be to overpower Russia. And every day Russia becomes a bigger problem for the whole world.

What to do, then?

It's important to destroy, disrupt and break down Russia's military potential - as quickly as possible. That is what Ukraine is doing with attacking plants that produce military goods, breaking down logistical chains, taking down headquarters and so on. That is why it's so important for Ukraine to get long-range missiles.

Another crucial thing is combating Russian propaganda - it is the source of war and a huge part of it. Russian propagandists are war criminals. Severe personal sanctions are needed not just against the most known figures but against everyone who serves that machine.

Today the EBRD have revised upwards their growth forecast for the Russian economy for 2023. Their forecast from May of -1.5% has now been revised to +1.5%, although a slowdown is expected in the longer term. (For context, the European Commission's latest GDP growth forecast for the Euro area is just 0.8% for this year.) While official statistics from Russia are not reliable, several western economic institutions have conducted their own assessments this year, and are in agreement that the Russian economy is holding up despite sanctions and the effect of the war on Ukraine. Economic sanctions, while hurting the Russian economy, are not having the desired effect. I expect there'll be renewed calls to close sanctions loopholes and to lower the price ceiling for Russian oil.

I bet his family aren't too impressed this is now happening so publicly

Gdp is a very crude measure of economic growth , if a government spends billions on missiles or tanks or bridges in a war year , that subsequently get blown up in the same year , that counts to increase gdp - even though you have neither the treasure invested nor the bridge or tank or what-ever ,

Still Russia will be happy out with a gdp increase ,

That'd need some international agreement and laws passed for that occasion. Crimes against humanity, decided at Nuremberg, would have to be made to apply to them. Shouldn't be too hard.