The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Well, going on Live Aid in 1985 when U2 performed it, I'd say Bloody Sunday goes over the heads of the British people. (saying that, I don't know how many in the British Army would have been in the Live Aid concert in Wembley and would have been offended by it).

Its the hypocrisy of Fianna Fail/Fine Gael that I think is important. Sinn Fein took the gun out of politics in Northern Ireland in what was a 30 year civil war. They should be applauded for doing that, not beat over the head for FF/FG petty political gains. Sinn Fein cannot turn its back on the PIRA and start condemning them. If they did, there would be many more dissident republicans and a lot more bombs going off.

they absolutely were what the provos were looking for, and the constitutional politics to achieve them came about because of the vital armed struggle.

northern ireland isn't a wonderful place, but it is certainly substantial milage from the place it was when the sectarian state was in place.

it will finally be leveled up when reunification happens.

Ignorance of historical context means you don't understand history.

blanch is well aware of colusion and all else in relation to the troubles but they want to pretend it never happened, blanch wants to paint beligerent unionism in a good light regardless of facts.

i base my statement on reading their posts across multiple threads on the matter of sf and the troubles.

Having half of your senior members in the pocket of the Brits would, certainly, count as riddled.

Possibly shared already but at least Waterford Whispers can be relied on to take the sting out of all this.

Great, and every sf voter going to a rugby match will have yourself there to preach to them and 'sicken their holes'

I can't see it happening.

My guess is the IRFU will come out with a statement along the lines of regretting the song being politicized and probably take it off any suggested song playlists.

Some fans will keep singing it to show the 'shinners' what's what, others in protest at 'cancel culture', some will keep singing it to resent the politicization of sport, more will just be confused.

The whole experience will be a lot less inclusive and enjoyable for the decent sports fan.

But as long as your equals got to preach to people who've already heard and rejected their agenda, that's all that matters, right?

Yep for all that fighting what was achieved?

Over 3000 dead - great

Delores is spot on the only ones that have anything in common with each other were the Loyalist/Unionist Zombies and the Republican ones. The warped nature of their minds meant they appreciated each other more than the place the larger entity they were supposed to feel attached to.

If a person of the 'NI Unionist/Loyalist' had written a 'Zombie' song it would be not much different only maybe the odd date here or there would change. The sentiment of Zombie is to castigate violence and just happens to written from the authors perspective, about people she viewed as indoctrinated and zombie like.

But such people who the song refers to don't like to be asked 'What's in your head?' because it forces them to self reflect. Many Northern Irish people have massive chips on their shoulder when it comes to having to self reflect. Whether that be Ulster fans blaming referees for targeting GAA teams more than non-Ulster teams etc. Ulster people are always very prickly when those from outside don't have their mindset - they get insulted very easily.

In a sporting context - I suppose the 'What's in your head?' would be more appropriate to a missed penalty or a sending off. I doubt many even know what the song was all about these days. And the refrain 'Zombie' and 'What's in your head?' are just an amusing thing to chant

Sorry that was me. I wasn't aware there was another poster with the same/similar name when I selected this one. I'll see if I can get a mod to change it if there's confusion between me and @Yeah_Right

I'm not happy about that poster imitating me. Might have to sue them or something to protect my good name 😁

Don't know why you added what you had already posted to them to the post. I've read this whole thread and as I mentioned in my post that you quoted, I've had a look at the CAIN website before. And nothing on it makes me think PIRA were the good guys. They were cowardly murderous assholes.

As I mentioned earlier, I like the song Zombie and I enjoy hearing the crowd sing it at Irish and Munster rugby matches. I think it's great. The fact it upsets harder Shinners and RA heads is just a bonus. It's like when you open a pack of bacon and find an extra rasher. Happy days! You were going to enjoy eating the bacon any way but now you have extra bacon.

You are happy there's a border, you support it so of course you don't like the efforts of the PIRA. You support the British side, that's fair enough, you can support who you like. The facts can't change because of that though, the PIRA fought the cleaner war against terror from the British state/loyalists.

It's alright. Means I can write horrible stuff and blame you 😁