The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

The Old IRA who disappeared over 100 people weren't standing up to the Brits! That doesn't mean that they were just in their war. The same with the PIRA, the did some indefensible things but standing up to the mass murdering British armed forces wasn't one of them!

Standing up to British state forces is anything but cowardly. You do know of their history and expertise in subjecting native people to all sorts of torture? Knowing yourself and your family members would be in huge danger of being murdered or imprisoned by the British state but volunteering to defending your community anyway is seriously brave. Again, that doesn't defend all the actions of the PIRA but they're war was just and they were in the right.

Such ignorant nonsense. I'm gonna say something that'll blow your mind. You can be a nationalist i.e. support the notion of a UI without supporting SF/IRA as they were at the time. In fact, most nationalists and catholics at the time took this very position by supporting the SDLP who hammered SF/IRA electorally throughout the Troubles period until after the GFA when both camps, for want of a better term, moved to the extremes by supporting SF and the DUP thereby abandoning Hume's SDLP and the UUP. Your posts betray a frankly childish view of the situation. Good guys indeed 🙄. Binary, absolutist thinking like yours gets people nowhere except into silly arguments where anyone who doesn't hold your green good orange bad attitude is derided as batting for the other side just because they don't share your view. It's obviously far more complicated than that but those who support child murderers in the name of the cause can't abide such nuance as you've shown.

Full lyrics - Zombie

Another head hangs lowly

Child is slowly taken

And the violence caused such silence

Who are we mistaken?

[Pre-Chorus]

But you see, it's not me, it's not my family

In your head, in your head, they are fightin'

With their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns

In your head, in your head, they are cryin

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie

What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh

[Post-Chorus]

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

[Verse 2]

Another mother's breakin'

Heart is takin' over

When the violence causes silence

We must be mistaken

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[Pre-Chorus]

It's the same old theme, since 1916

In your head, in your head, they're still fightin'

With their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns

In your head, in your head, they are dyin'

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie

What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh, eh-eh-oh, ra-ra--

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I assume it is only this part that is sung at matches? -

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head , Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie, What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh

[Post-Chorus]

Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du

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I had forgotten the 'du du du' bit

Anything with a 'du du du' in it easy to chant. As simple as that meaning of song lost really. All about the chorus and the 'du du du's?'

What has any of that to do with an anti-violence song?

But there was no justification for the PIRA. Not a single poster over the last decade has ever posted a coherent argument as to how and why the PIRA campaign was justified.

So you can't refute any points I raised. It's ok to admit that, no shame in it. But at least did you read up on the collusion link I provided for you? It might open your eyes a bit.

aw I see !

if you dont like something you just make up what ever bs you like to make the facts fit your own personal narrative

I advise you to speak to a medical professional about these delusions.

thank god ye are still a lunatic fringe as ye always were

proxy bombing

bombing childrens hospitals

bombing unarmed parades

sniping from another jurisdiction

hiding themselves behind children

persistently torturing people that they knew to be innocent (due to them being the actual guilty parties)

facilitation of peados

protection rackets ,smuggling drugs tobacco desiel and god knows what else , ongong criminality

to name but a few of the proven activities of your organization

ya the heros ,

and all because ye couldnt swallow a large group of people singng a song about the victims of your heros

pathetic

Funny how the most vocal republicans live the furthest from the border. Those of us that have been near bombs, nearly ripped apart on a fairly frequent basis by these great clean freedom fighters just going to school etc dont hold these people in such high esteem.

i did not of course , The idea of some one with your mentality in charge of a united Ireland would make Ireland a failed terrorist run state. (think Afghanistan ) poor attempt at manipulation , youd be thrown out of any debate in the world on your lying ass

I understand where you're coming from and part of me is thinking why am I getting involved.

I only joined this thread to share my thoughts on the song as a sporting anthem, I wasn't even aware of what had happened on twitter!

But then I'm seeing all this stuff about sticking it to the 'shinners', reminding them about Warrington etc.

I know the majority of rugby fans are decent, but there is that element, as in most sports, who I know will be thinking the same.

And that does upset me. I don't want to have to deal with that going to a match. I'll really only vote SF because they're the only viable left wing option.

I want my kids to maybe own a house and go to college. For that I'll be accused of supporting child murder. At a match.

I don't want sport being used as a platform for that kind of agenda. I don't know how the IRFU or Munster rugby deals with it now but I'm afraid the door has been opened.

Yes . Agree again .

All this fuss over songs , books, poetry and plays ...personal stories and experiences, and expressions of such .. art and culture, that should not be taken literally and used to divide people . They are of their time and relate to particular events and the artists' own stories as much as , and maybe more than they do to history

People are being too sensitive and keeping wars going needlessly .

All the history is there , true , and nobody is saying forget what people suffered , but if people can move on we will be the better for it . This picking at healed scabs eternally is not going to get us anywhere... except bleedin' sore !

SF members on social media do themselves no favours harking back to the past though , drawing attention to all that many moderate members have spent the last 20 years trying to move past. Just as many moderate Unionists have too .

Greatest turnoff as I said previously for anybody under the age of 35 that might be thinking of voting for any of the parties involved in slating music and songs

Its housing , education , health, economy that they want discussed .

Its extremists on either side that love this cuffuffle over the likes of Celtic Symphony and Zombie , and try to drag it out for effect .

They are just songs that people sing often without thinking , although the words Up the Ra don't sit easy with me and some other older people .

The crowds at the concerts in EP and the match in France were not thinking of war and people getting killed mostly I would think .

They were just enjoying themselves and doing what happy people do, sing along .

It was lovely to hear .

I didn't say half those things.

The rest I was only quoting what was said here already.

I haven't heard the mm interview but I find it hard to believe he's doing anything other than chasing votes and further politicising this.

The song was blacklisted in the UK for being offensive, yet he can't see how it could possibly be?

It's calling someone a zombie, of course it could be offensive in the wrong context.

the british government's key position was irish unity by concent of the british government only, up until the good friday agreement, after which it changed to irish unity by concent of the people.

the PIRA quitting their campaign in 1972 would have meant certain ethnic cleansing of the catholic and nationalist community and that could not be allowed at any cost, + the removal of stormont did not remove the sectarian state.

the civil rights movement could not have accomplished equal rights on their own, as it was clear the british government would not give them anything, and showed they were willing to beat and shoot them off the streets.