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Ireland v Scotland. Saturday 7th October. Stade DeFrance

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    He's already rul3d out coaching. Spent some time working with a business 1 day a week prepping for retirement



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    No doubt about Porters ability, but he's played 50, 40 and 74 mins so far in the tournament. His minutes have been managed in the early games.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know we're pundits and fans, not players and management.

    But the draw is done and dusted and futile to give out about it. We just need to focus on the next game. Hopefully there'll be 4!

    We can beat any team in the world. We seem to be having luck this tournament. Let's enjoy the ride 😀



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If we've as much possession as the Boks v Scotland we'll win by more than 18-3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭dublin49


    There is a lot disrespect being shown on here to the mocker Gods,



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Luckily they don't actually exist, so we'll be fine.

    Crowley was putting out the right message in an article on RTE today.

    "We go back in on Wednesday and the preparation begins for Scotland," said the Bandon man.

    "I suppose they are going to grow throughout the competition. "We have come up against them in the Six Nations and they have been one the toughest competitors you come up against

    And Sheehan.

    Asked how much pressure beating the reigning champions takes off the Scotland match, Sheehan replied: "None. The job’s not done.

    "We have a bit of luxury now that we have two weeks to lead up into the Scotland game but we can’t afford to take the foot off the gas at all.

    "The Scotland game is going to be massive. That’s obviously a massive win for us but nothing’s guaranteed at all so all eyes on Scotland now."

    The players know well that they've have a match to win, but lets be honest, it would almost be the shock of the tournament if Scotland win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    I heard the Sheehan part of the interview and I liked how quickly he answered the pressure question. Not even a beat missed. Focused on the next task and that's beating Scotland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭joficeduns1


    The mentality is incredible from the group. There was so much chat about the intensity of the game and word about the Boks camp was that they were surprised how Ireland matched them. Tadhg Beirne said post-game that he's probably played at similar intensity in test matches before (heard on The Left Wing podcast). Mental stuff, he's a machine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Suppose we have to talk it up and pretend we are worried about the Scotland game but honestly if we can't beat Scotland quite comfortably we have zero chance further on in this tournament. Of course it ain't won yet and being professional, avoiding cards and executing still has to be the order of the day but barring something utterly bizarre happening I just can't see anyway Scotland can win. They are inferior pretty much everywhere and while a decent team we are on a different level at the moment.

    Personally looking forward to an evening of entertainment and not worried in the slightest. Hopefully injury free.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Should be a great game now. Much people from here going over to it. Be my first time to a world cup game after years of attending six nations urcs and Heineken cup games so looking forward to seeing a world cup game in the flesh. Hopefully plenty of green In the stands again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,064 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Everyone in the squad knows this but a loss knocking us out would be one of the worst results in our rugby history and Scotland have been massive joy kills in the past (Croke Park 2010 comes to mind)

    It's going to be an exciting but long nervy 1.5 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,627 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If the Irish team don't approach this game as a must win knockout match against tier 1 opposition then we will lose.

    Scotland are not the Jabronis people make them out to be. They have been fully focused on the Irish game since their defeat to SA in the opening weekend. This will be their world cup final and it could be incredibly physical.

    Luckly they know this and seem to be taking the game very seriously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    1. Porter
    2. Sheehan
    3. Bealham
    4. Beirne
    5. Henderson
    6. POM
    7. JVDF
    8. Conan
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Lowe
    12. Aki
    13. Henshaw
    14. Hansen
    15. Keenan
    16. Kelleher
    17. Kilcoyne
    18. Furlong
    19. Baird
    20. McCarthy
    21. JGP
    22. Crowley
    23. O'Brien

    That's my guess. 6 changes including 4 additional B&I Lions & our 1st choice hooker back and given game time in what is likely to be a knockout match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Sending Scotland home would be a fine conclusion to POM's 100th cap.😅

    ( Or maybe we save it for sending NZ home)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    1. Porter
    2. Sheehan
    3. Bealham
    4. Beirne
    5. Henderson
    6. POM
    7. JVDF
    8. Conan
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Lowe
    12. Aki / McCloskey
    13. Henshaw
    14. Hansen
    15. Keenan
    16. Kelleher
    17. Kilcoyne
    18. O'Toole
    19. Baird
    20. McCarthy
    21. JGP
    22. Byrne
    23. O'Brien

    The McCloskey call would be dependent on how Aki is. Even allowing for the week off Aki has taken major punishment. The drop on current form to McCloskey is reasonably significant, but in a very experienced backline (including McCloskey himself) i think its doable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    Very possibly. There's also the chance Doris goes to 6 and POM gets a rest. McCloskey at 12 too is a possibility.

    And what's great is that none of those changes results in a poor team being fielded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    If any second row is rested, I’d imagine it will be Beirne. He has done the full 80 in all 3 games so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Conan starts for me with Doris on the bench, baird on the bench for POM / VDF. I would start henderson and rest Beirne but think thats also a bit of a risk, Beirne has played every game and has been vital so he might have to bench.

    Henshaw starts as well with Bundee on the bench depending on ringrose after a bruising game last week.

    Outside of that I dont see many changes, maybe craig casey gets the bench spot, maybe byrne is cover for sexton. Herring might get gametime

    Jimmy o brien hasnt seen gametime yet or mccloskey so its hard to see them getting in at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Aki plays no question. Can replace him at 55 mins if things going ok.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Are Conan, JOB and McCloskey the only ones without gametime yet?

    I think there’s a chance we might see one of the latter 2 in the 23 jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Unless Earls has gotten ahead of JOB as utility back cover then they have to get JOB game time. Even if Earls is ahead of him now, given Earls' durability issues JOB still needs time.

    The majority of the evidence we've seen for the last 2 years is that if there is an injury to any of the first choice 11-15 or 23 then JOB would at worst end up on the bench.

    Maybe things have changed but I'd be surprised and somewhat worried if they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I'm not sure how much we'll see JOB now. If a winger is injured, then Earls can come in easily enough. Farrell seems to trust him on the wing. If a centre gets injured, then Henshaw moves to start and McCloskey moves to the bench as Farrell seems to like a centre in the 23.

    If Keenan gets injured, then I presume JOB would start but we aren't going to see Keenan dropped to give JOB gametime at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Whatever about JOB who has the age profile to see another world cup Mcloskey has done very well in the last few seasons to earn his place and it would be a disappointment for him not to see game-time.

    But the world cup isnt won on sentiment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Not a hope. This will a an absolute must win game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    This effectively a knock-out game, and the players and coaching staff will treat it as such.

    Some of the talk amongst supporters has been akin to the Wales QF in 2011 - and Scotland 2023 are a superior team to Wales 2011 IMO (thankfully Ireland 2023 is superior to Ireland 2011 also!)

    The margins between any tier 1 nation isn’t that big - it doesn’t take much of a drop-off to be caught out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,605 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    this Scottish team isn't a patch on the 2011 Welsh team. They were a Warburton red card away from the final. The Scots are the most overrated team in the world, we will dismantle them. Again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The red card cost them - but that was also against a French team that lost twice in the pool stages, and had lost to Italy in that year's 6N



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  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭penybont exile


    .... a Fench team that were only some dubious refereeing calls shy of winning the final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Rootsblower


    i respectfully disagree with your point re the margins between tier 1 nations. Scotland are a useful side who can pose us some problems if not respected. Their players and coaching team are not to the standard that Ireland have. There’s no way South Africa/New Zealand would go into a game against this Scottish side and not expect to win. We need to start taking on that All Black mentality of supreme confidence in ourselves but not hubris. Watch the truly top sides the way they dismantle lesser teams with ruthless efficiency from the first to last minute of the game. Once they put the foot on the opposition throat they squeeze and squeeze. They suck the life out the opposition in an almost machine like manner.

    Ireland are superior in all aspects of play to Scotland and if this Ireland team has true designs on the William Webb Ellis trophy then nothing less than a pummelling of Scotland will do. Not let up, no mercy, no foot off the gas after 60 mins if we are well ahead. It’s what the great teams do.

    i don’t mean to disrespect to the Scots in this post whatsoever. They deserve our respect as all teams do.

    Post edited by Rootsblower on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭ersatz


    The coaches and players will treat this like any other must win game against a top opponent, as they should. Scotland have beaten England and France in the last few seasons. BUT it would be an epic and unprecedented face plant if they were to beat this Irish team and or knock them out. I couldn’t actually see this team recover from it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The majority of the evidence we've seen for the last 2 years is that if there is an injury to any of the first choice 11-15 or 23 then JOB would at worst end up on the bench.

    I don’t think that’s accurate tbh.

    For starters, he only made his debut last November, and that was only when both Henshaw and McCloskey were injured.

    I’d wager McCloskey’s been selected ahead of him at any point one of the first choice backs were injured, and both McCloskey and JOB have been available.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    That you have to go back over 13 years in itself says a lot. Scotland have only beaten us once in the last 10 years. The last time they beat us by more than 7 points was a 2007 RWC warm-up game. The last truly competitive game they beat us by more than 7 was the 2001 6Ns. The last time they scored 4 or more tries against us was 1999.

    We are as good as we have ever been, in my lifetime at least. There really is no reason that we should fear Scotland. Respect them for what they are, sure. A good side with some good players. And good sides can step up and beat better sides on their day. But we shouldn’t fear them at all. As long as we’re close to our usual standard we should have too much for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    I wouldn't complain too much if they picked the absolute best possible team for Scotland.

    In my mind that's:

    Porter, Sheehan, Furlong,

    Beirne, Ryan,

    O'Mahony, Doris, Van der Flier,

    Gibson-Park, Sexton,

    Lowe, Aki, Ringrose, Hansen,

    Keenan.

    Reps: Kelleher, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Henderson, Conan, Murray, Crowley, Henshaw.


    Any deviations from that could probably be from the following in order of likeliness:

    Starting Henshaw for one of the centres.

    Starting Conan for O'Mahony, shifting Doris to 6.

    Starting Henderson for Beirne.

    Starting Bealham for Furlong.

    Herring on the bench ahead of Kelleher.


    Unfortunately as this match is practically a knockout now, I can't see any of the fringe players getting into the 23.

    That's harsh on the likes of Herring, Baird, Byrne, McCloskey, Earls and O'Brien.

    If Scotland don't make up the points difference against Romania, and if South Africa fail to get a a big score and a bonus point against Tonga, then the pressure would be off and selection could change a bit more. The thing is, in that case, I'd love to ask the players, like Sexton, Van der Flier, Ryan etc, given the choice would they prefer around 60 minutes against Scotland to prepare for the quarter final or would they prefer to avoid the risk of injury.

    I still have my fingers crossed that South Africa have a blunder against Tonga to take some of the pressure off us, and that Italy have the match of their lives against New Zealand and we would end up with the possibility of playing Italy in the quarters!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Not sure where the lack of accuracy is.

    When JOB got his first cap matters little in this. In the last 2 years the only players I can see who can rival the time JOB has gotten with Ireland in a similar utility/bench role are Conway and Earls.

    Conway didn't make the plane and Earls didn't play for Ireland for a year and his game time has been 2 warm ups and Romania, where he was the back to be substituted, despite him being the least important back to keep fresh from a tournament perspective. Seemed to me much more of a nod to him getting another WC cap type selection than any confidence that he can handle knockout international rugby.

    No idea why you're trying to drag McCloskey into this. He has never been picked under AF as anything other than at 12 and never as a sub. Even when you include Ulster you have to go back to 2017 for McCloskey to come off the bench. Which first team back are you possibly wagering could get injured for McCloskey to be selected ahead of JOB? You're risking basically blowing up your backline in most scenarios, with nowhere close to the upside than Aki brings in the few occasions he as a specialist has benched.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    In the last 2 years the only players I can see who can rival the time JOB has gotten with Ireland in a similar utility/bench role are Conway and Earls.

    This entirely overlooks the fact that Farrell doesn’t just opt for utility options in the 23 jersey. He regularly picks centres there.

    No idea why you're trying to drag McCloskey into this. He has never been picked under AF as anything other than at 12 and never as a sub.

    This is just not true.

    Vs Australia, McCloskey was named in the 23 jersey - ahead of JOB. Henshaw got injured, McCloskey was promoted to 12 and JOB on the bench.

    The same thing happened vs Italy on the 6 Nations, this time with Ringrose becoming injured, McCloskey then starting, and JOB taking his place on the bench.

    In both scenarios, McCloskey was on the bench ahead of JOB.

    With Farrell seeming to like a centre in the bench, all the evidence is that McCloskey is ahead of JOB in that regard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Just reading there today that Scotland have had to call up their 6th choice hooker which means turner has to play close to every minute of every game. Can't even think who our 6th choice would be.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Sheehan

    Kelleher

    Herring

    Stewart

    Barron

    Scannell

    Something like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Scotland are a very basic team with a few flashes from Russell. They will be dispatched easily, probably 20+ points. Bookie have Ireland -15



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭letowski


    I can't see 4 or 5 changes to the starting lineup as some think. I think we will only see Sheehan come into the starting 15. Conan to the bench, I doubt Farrell will start him from the off after being out for nearly two months. I think players who impressed versus SA like Hendo, Bealham, Murray, Henshaw will come in earlier next week if were in a good position at the start of the second half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Do we know is Conan back training fully? It would be great to have him as an option for the next game, and hopefully games beyond that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Scotland will be easily destroyed. Then it’s NZ - obviously the big game as semi will be a simple affair . Final v SA or France will be the next challenging for Ireland. So essentially 2 games to win the World Cup

    Post edited by Mr Disco on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭joficeduns1


    So simple.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Pound for pound, there is no Scottish player I'd have in my combined 15. And even if Ireland rotate - something Farrell never does in significant numbers, much less against tier 1 opposition in must win games - I still think the best Scotland have to offer at about on par with their Irish peers


    Porter vs Schoeman

    Sheehan vs Turner

    Furlong vs Fagerson

    Beirne vs Gray

    Ryan vs Cummings

    POM vs Ritchie

    VDF vs Darge

    Doris vs Dempsey

    JGP vs White

    Sexton vs Russell

    Lowe vs VDM - a generous draw. I think VDM is defensively poor but obviously a phenomenal attacker

    Aki vs Tuipulotu

    Ringrose vs Jones

    Hansen vs Graham/ Steyn

    Keenan vs Kinghorn


    Swapping in and out some players too and the picture does not change too much does it?

    I'd still take Henderson over any of their lock options.

    Conan is a better option than any of their 6/8

    Henshaw a better player than both Jones and Harris.

    I'd still have Bealham over any of their tightheads



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Heffernan was in a couple of Andy Farrell squads so he might be in there somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    I really like the Scottish centres, I think they work well together. I like Schoeman and I think Darcy Graham is a classy player too. Would be happy if any of those were in our team. VdM is a sensational attacker too to be fair to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,605 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Kinghorn has been very good, he and Graham are quality players. Huw Jones is an excellent center too, one of the best in the 6ns imo



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    This entirely overlooks the fact that Farrell doesn’t just opt for utility options in the 23 jersey. He regularly picks centres there.

    If anything you're overlooking that the utility back conversation is important because if there is an injury to the starting 11,14,15 then who is next up is vital for the next game and ideally they'll have some time. You've zoned into the 23 shirt and ignored every other scenario which would potentially bring JOB into fold, unless you believe they're going to completely rejig the line up to shoehorn McCloskey in somewhere.

    Your examples of McCloskey being selected on the bench do not stack up at all as you've completely ignored the context:

    Vs Australia, McCloskey was named in the 23 jersey - ahead of JOB. Henshaw got injured, McCloskey was promoted to 12 and JOB on the bench.

    Henshaw was injured in the Fiji game so McCloskey would have trained at centre all week leading up to this game. Given Henshaw's injury, if they were to risk starting him it made sense to have his direct cover on the bench.

    The same thing happened vs Italy on the 6 Nations, this time with Ringrose becoming injured, McCloskey then starting, and JOB taking his place on the bench.

    Again, the same thing happened during the 6 nations. Ringrose was battling an injury from so the same situation applies with him training with the starters all week and being needed on the bench in case Ringrose reaggravated it, if he actually started.

    With Farrell seeming to like a centre in the bench

    AF has liked Aki and Henshaw on the bench who are two of Ireland's best players - head and shoulders above JOB and McCloskey and any other option. The only examples you have of McCloskey being preferred there is when one of the starting centres is injured all week leading up to the game and it was long shot the injured player was even going to play. You're making assumptions on AF's approach while ignoring all context.



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