Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

i think it’s been mentioned here before but what have the bus stop objectors done about the situation? Who have you written to about it? Moaning about it here won’t change anything.

But you can argue it’s not following best practice guidelines, just like you’ve done here.

I’ll PM you…….

My last comment on this, as it's just insulting to be called a princess.

After completion of Bus Connects, at least 10 separate bus routes will pass through North Strand, including 3x H-Spine, 4x D-Spine and 6x local routes 6, 8, 10, 21, 22 and 58.

The very simple solution was to keep a bus stop in North Strand on the local routes only and allow the main spines to skip. This would have kept a service in North Strand, especially for older people, while speeding up the service for the suburbs.

Actually that is categorically untrue. Per their own guidelines, plans are supposed to increase the number of people within 400m of public transport, not decrease it.

You're getting annoyed at residents of North Strand who are losing their bus stop, when you should be annoyed at NTA / DCC for failing to create more express routes that don't stop at every single bus stop, which, again, is recommended in the guidelines.

Lastly, if you want to keep incorrectly stating 100m to make yourself feel better, then good for you, but it's 300m. The least you can do is stop misrepresenting the facts to bolster your argument.

There was a stop 300metres away from my house at the top of the road. That stop has been removed and now the nearest stops are 300metres either side, or 600metres from my house.

So the difference is 300m. Are you seriously arguing this? It's like basic math.

They didn't move the bus stops. They "removed" one.

They actually moved the nearest stop (at the canal) 50m further away.

They did explain their logic in the bus stop spacing report although they ignored the fact that the H Spine routes & 130 don’t stop on Amiens Street near Connolly, but rather at Busaras.

https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022.12.01%20Bus%20stop%20spacing%20FINAL1.pdf

I'm currently living 500m from a bus stop in Meath and find it really convenient and close. My new house in the Midlands is about 3000m (3km, to be clear) from the nearest shop/pub/convenience and I see that as easily walkable/cyclable.

Apart from those who may be very elderly and/or infirm,I really can't see what the big deal is about needing to make your own way to a bus stop 600m away. That's about a 5 minute walk for the majority of people which is literally nothing.

I can't figure it out either. At worst case scenario, we're talking about an extra 4 minute walk (closer to 3 minutes if walking at a leisurely pace and not just strolling) if someones bus stop moves the full extra 300m away from it is currently. The extra 600m of steps for a return journey sounds fantastic for health and wellbeing alone.

Have city dwellers really got that lazy?

Bear in mind I'm discussing about the vast majority of people who are not very elderly or have any serious medical conditions that stops them from walking relatively short distances however it's unreasonable to have a stop every couple of hundred metres to ensure that a commute does not become absurdly long.

It’s been months, not weeks!

@loco_scolo is right to have issues about a bus stop. DCC and their traffic policy throughout the council district has always been about the frailest first.

How many hundreds of millions of euro have been spent upgrading every road crossing to disabled friendly?

A few years ago, they changed every traffic light in the city to a new, longer red light time to accommodate older/frailer people. Motorists are usually left sitting there at pedestrian crossings waiting for the lights to change green while the pedestrian has long since disappeared.

So when some unaccountable quango makes a pensioner or less-abled person walk an extra few hundred metres, they should be made accountable and change it back.

It’s black and white.

I'm surprised it hasn't been pointed out already, and that it needs to be pointed out at all, but an "increase in the population within 400m of bus services" does not mean a spacing of 400m between bus stops. It doesn't necessarily refer to a particular distance between stops at all it could relate to wider planning intentions. If that's the goal, stops would be placed based on residential density, or the potential for increased residential density (e.g. brownfield or redevelopment sites with potential for residential).

It implies that if you have two apartment blocks 1km apart, and lower density houses in between, a stop should be placed close to each apartment block (assuming that gives a higher population within 400m of the stops), regardless of the gap between the stops.

If the goal is an "increase in the population within 400m of bus services" but with the minimum number of stops, it could be read as recommending 800m between stops, to minimise the overlap in the 400m catchment area of each stop.

Having looked at the images posted above with the stops, the spacing looks reasonable apart from the stops at Newcomen Bridge. Ideally the stops would be on the Clontarf side of the canal, this mightn't work on the inbound side due to lack of space but would be fine on the outbound side.

I asked for the guideline which the 400m thing was based on and the quote which has been given doesn't say what was claimed. It is entirely reasonable to point that out. Now you are saying "the guidelines state 4-800m for spacing" which different to before.

I didn't defend the process here and I did comment on the spacing on North Strand as not being ideal. Not sure why you are getting so defensive.

To be clear, the bus stop that is 500m from me is in a decent sized town in Meath with a population of just under 7,000. It's certainly not rural. That particular bus stop is the one I use if travelling east bound and it's only 5 minutes walk away. The closest bus stop to alight from on the return journey is over 900m away and that is less than 10 minutes walk. Both are short walks. I'm from suburban Dublin originally but I've always walked when possible.

A few years ago, I was going to the theatre at Grand Canal Dock. I was getting the train to Pearse and then walking from there, about 800m......a short stroll of less than 10 minutes. Friends that were with me were wanting to get a taxi from the Grand Canal station for some bizarre reason, even though the walking distance is almost identical but you've the extra journey time to travel an extra stop so is a longer journey. Anyway, I said I'd hop off at Pearse and walk from there while they can continue on and get the taxi. Needless to say, I got there several minutes ahead of them. They literally could fathom idea of walking for less than ten minutes. They described the distance as being "miles"!

A 3km journey within the city is walkable in 35-45 minutes, depending on pace of walker, quicker again on Dublin Bikes. Why anyone would wait for a bus in such circumstances is beyond me.

the amount of people online blaming cycle lanes for the recent chaos on the roads is mad, they're making all the roads lethal apparently.