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Ghislaine Maxwell trial

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What do mean social media accusations?

    She lodged multiple lawsuits, because the law was changed.

    She said she may have been mistaken about Derchowitz, not that she definitely was. Like I said, I am assuming the possibility of a settlement there given the tone and manner of how they pulled the case.

    As for gospel, I fully believe on the evidence that she was groomed, trafficked and serially raped as a child, I think the pathetic attempt to discredited her for whatever bizarre reason is beyond crass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    She didn’t give evidence in the Maxwell trial but one of the victims that did said it in her testimony, that Virginia recruited her. That might be why she wasn’t called. Another poster mentions it in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    of course you don't. Your posting history shows that very strongly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This is an absolutely despicable suggestion, the thinly veiled threats that Roberts is only after the money.

    The absence of a criminal trial is not down to her, not by a long shot. She worked long and hard with other victims to push for a criminal trial for Epstien and others, and were frustrated at every turn by authorities. In particular, a very dodgy plea deal was done by the then Florida Attorney General Alex Acosta (later appointed as Labor Secretary by Trump) giving immunity to Epstein and other around Epstein to future charges, so Epstein would serve 13 months in an open prison. He got to leave the prison most days by limo of course, and ignored the plea deal restrictions on travel.


    Dershowitz has explicitly said that he accepts that the Roberts allegation was made in good faith. He doesn't need you to save him.

    I wonder if you'll be as quick to blame the two Blackrock 'boys' who were in the press for pursuing their civil case against their abusing priest and his order? Or is there something special about the female victim Roberts that inspires your victim blaming?

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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn’t “suggest” anything - I merely pointed out that US civil trials are all about money not justice - and in fact most are settled out of court -so calm down dear



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,653 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A dozen posts removed from two posters who seem to just want to bicker

    Threadbans for any repeat



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is justice and there’s truth. Falsely accusing one person calls her testimonies into question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Mainly for opportunists who are looking primarily for any opportunity to discredit her, rather than looking for justice or truth. She was one of many teenage girls exploited by Epstein and others.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    The problem is the American justice system itself-if the statute of limitations runs out, then you're into the seedy world of civil lawsuit which essentially plays out in the newspapers and gets settled on the court steps- - over 90% of civil lawsuits are settled in New York as we heard when the Prince Andrew legal proceedings took place.

    Its got nothing to do with justice and everything to do with lawyers making money and alleged victims, some money- "justice" is a mile away drowning its sorrows in some irish bar.

    The wording of the legal agreement in this most recent case is open to interpretation as we have seen from some posts- neither side wants to admit defeat - there were 2 legal guns pointed at both, one suing for the sexual allegation, and the other for defamation- one a very experienced Harvard professor- no financial settlement- it just shows it's about your lawyer is better/worse/equal to my lawyer in terms of outcome, in some circumstances.

    Other people she's accused, such as the renowned US politician involved in the Irish peace process, hasn't had any lawsuit against him as far as I can see- he denies even meeting her, no less anything else- that's a strong denial and one that shouldn't be too difficult to prove- I just think its sad this kind of thing can happen- Ireland is different- no statute of limitations, so criminal approach always the first step.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    over 90% of civil lawsuits are settled in New York as we heard when the Prince Andrew legal proceedings took place

    Most civil cases everywhere are settled before going to trial.

    Most civil cases wouldn't stem from a criminal genesis though.

    12 million would be many many times the multiple of normal settled cases.

    He nounced her and he borrowed money so a fact finding trial and jury wouldn't make it official.

    Even his family accept it, people still thinking he is innocent really need to reassess their critical thought process.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ...actually I couldn't care less at this stage. I'll Just ignore considering the above Mod instruction and it's obvious what's happening here.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Still no more prosecutions, as I expected, but there are some cracks in this cover-up and they're coming from unexpected quarters.

    The Attorney General for the U.S. Virgin Islands mustn't have got the memo from the FBI. She is suing JP Morgan Chase for "turning a blind eye” to Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking operation (Epstein's private island is part of the VI territory). Her boss, the Governor of the VI, fired her the next day. Imagine the phone call he got from D.C.!

    Thanks to this lady, we get to see a stream of emails between Epstein and Jes Staley, who was head of Private Banking division in JP Morgan Chase when Epstein's operation was in full swing. Staley later became CEO of Barclays but they dumped him last year - now we can see why. Any lawyer who can manufacture a plausible justification for his emails will supplant Johnnie Cochran in the pantheon of defence attorneys.

    Why have we not seen Epstein's emails to his other wealthy guests?

    Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell has reached a divorce settlement which will allow her fund an appeal. Her hope seems to be that she will get a re-trial because of mistakes by the trial judge.

    Ghislaine Maxwell launches $10m appeal against sex abuse conviction

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11767669/Ghislaine-Maxwell-launches-10million-appeal-against-sex-abuse-conviction.html

    The British socialite's appeal against her 20-year jail sentence had been in serious jeopardy because her ex Scott Borgerson was refusing to release money from her $20million trust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Perhaps she has jeopardized other active pending prosecutions by publishing said evidence prematurely.

    Bizarre nonetheless. She’s not exactly alleging that she’s been fired as part of a coverup (not yet anyway)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No, there are no more active pending prosecutions or even ongoing investigations. The whole Epstein affair is over, done with, dead and buried with Epstein and Maxwell. Prince Andrew is even dreaming that he might get his money (and reputation) back.

    Except now the lady from the Virgin Islands (where else?!) has upset the apple-tart, as Bertie would say. I’d guess that Jes Staley will escape justice because JP Morgan (I.e. the US financial system) can’t be held liable for such horrible behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    “accusing financial giant JP Morgan Chase of turning a “blind eye” to Jeffrey Epstein’s multi-decade sex trafficking operation.”

    Why would jp Morgan be liable for the actions of this employee in their personal life or Epstein’s for that matter? It seems a bit of a stretch. I imagine they were worried about being counter sued or even blacklisted by financial institutions if they pushed forward with a case like this. How long could the case drag on for, who pays for it, does she have the power to make these commitments on behalf of the VI, what happens if they counter sue? This might be a simple case to her completely overstretching her remit and being fired for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Where is the list ? Where is the list ? Where is the list ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You're missing the point.

    JP Morgan is not simply being accused of failing to control its employee, Jes Staley. The AG alleged JP Morgan “clearly knew it was not complying with federal regulations in regard to Epstein-related accounts” and “Human trafficking was the principal business of the accounts Epstein maintained at JPMorgan.”

    Follow the money - that is the key to the Epstein scandal. How did Epstein become so fabulously wealthy? Try moving any serious amount of money into an Irish bank and you will be asked to explain the source of the funds. But Epstein had countless millions flowing through his bank accounts and no one seems to have asked the most basic question.

    The courts in NY will bury this case quietly but Jes Staley is fighting for his life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    They hoped this scandal was buried but …follow the money!

    JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon are in hot water. Will the court figure out how Epstein became a billionaire? After 9/11, it is extraordinary that JP Morgan simply ignored all the red flags about Epstein’s funds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    One of Europe's biggest banks broke all the rules to facilitate one of the world's most notorious criminals. Now it is trying to pay off a group of women to make it all go away.

    Which would have worked except the Virgin Islands didn't get the memo from the FBI and sued JP Morgan for its role in these crimes. So a judge in New York is not ready to approve the Deutsche Bank deal.

    You didn't read about this? You aren't mean to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    JPMorgan Chase has agreed to pay $290 million (€270 million) to settle a lawsuit brought by Epstein victims.

    So everyone's happy. Time to move on.

    Except that pesky A.G. in the Virgin Islands. No wonder she got fired two days later!

    Even the US Federal Reserve, the guarantor of global financial stability, sees no problem in JPMorgan banking hundreds of millions from a sex offender without ever asking about the source of his funds. Why didn't JPMorgan go into court and say "we're the most heavily regulated enterprise in history. It would be absurd to think we could get away with egregious crimes under the nose of our Federal regulator"? Surely Janet Yellen could take to the witness stand and make clear to the court that it was simply impossible for a US bank to be involved in the criminal abuse of young women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...ah shur jp, and the rest of them, involvement in all sorts of dodginess, shur we all know this, this is how the world of finance works, its never gonna change!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    It is costing JPMorgan Chase $365Million to shut down these Epstein-related inquiries/lawsuits (plus an undisclosed sum to a former executive) but that is a bargain when the truth could destroy the world's largest bank and its leadership.

    Fortunately for JPMorgan Chase, everyone who could demand the truth - from the White House to the Federal Reserve and the FBI - wants to shut this entire investigation down.

    Who knows what will actually happen to the money handed over in the latest settlement? Forgive me for doubting if victims of human trafficking will benefit in any way from the $45 Million which JPMorgan will pay to help the Virgin Islands fight human trafficking. The lawyers in this case will certainly benefit - to the tune of $20Million!

    After all the investigations, documentaries, criminal trials etc. , no one has answered the most obvious question. How did Jeffrey Epstein become so rich? Is the real scandal that JPMorgan Chase never asked this question? Or is it that they knew the answer?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66925934



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    Disappointing but predictable outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I’m surprised Maxwell is still alive at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    By all accounts she appears to be doing well in her medium security prison - apparently there’s a lot of activities available including a running track- there’s far worse places I imagine for a female to serve out a sentence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    She must not have evidence of others involved like Epstein did. If she gets out quickly then maybe she does. Another ‘suicide’ might draw too much attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    If memory serves she got quite a hefty sentence like 15 years or something?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    20 years was it not? Given that it was a federal sentence she will serve all of it. the federal system doesn't do early release on parole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Oh right didn’t know that , especially the part about no automatic reduction for good behaviour sorta thing- oh well, all of her life up to the point of the investigation was privileged beyond the comprehension or experience of pretty much all posters here no less 99% of the world - she decided to abuse that privilege- she’s got away lightly in my view



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    For someone who's lived a life of absolute luxury, any prison must be a helluva shock to the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The Financial Times whitewashes JPMorgan.

    Pretending that the world's biggest bank is the victim here and bravely "refusing to play" when, in reality, the bank was in cahoots with Epstein and is now buying off the accusers (and, yes of course, the lawyers are the winners in the end). Even the biggest banks (JPMorgan and Deutsche) did not "debank" the notorious sex offender with vast and unexplained funds.

    At least the WSJ reported on the story even if they didn't make any comment.

    The Irish media are useless on this story- they're were much too busy reporting on Tubs and his €75K even though (or because?☹️) JPMorgan is a major employer here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The UK Financial Conduct Authority has issued a devastating sanction against Jes Staley, former CEO of Barclays. In addition to a €2 Million fine, Staley is banned from banking and he may have to pay back £17.8m in deferred pay and bonuses. The FCA has often imposed massive fines on banks but I don't think any individual has ever been hit with such massive consequences. Staley is appealing but his banking career is over.

    The amazing thing is the fine is not because of anything he did with Jeffrey Epstein. In fact the decision expressly states that the FCA "makes no findings that Mr Staley saw, or was aware of, any of Mr Epstein’s alleged crimes".

    No, the swingeing penalties are solely because Staley told the FCA (and the Barclays Board) that he did not have a "close relationship" with Epstein and that his "last contact with Mr Epstein was well before he joined Barclays in 2015”. Emails show that he had a very close, even sycophantic, relationship with Epstein and his last contact with Epstein was in 2015, days before joining Barclays.

    So Staley is guillotined for distancing himself from Epstein. If he had been more frank e.g. "Yes, I was close to Epstein up to the time I joined Barclays", would he have been in the clear?

    No one seems to care whether Staley ever asked Epstein the very first and most essential question which every banker must ask of their client, rich or poor: "What is the source of your funds". For all the FCA (or any other supervisor) knows or cares, Epstein could have been laundering funds for Putin or the Kinahan gang.

    The media just blandly report these mind-boggling developments.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/2023/10/12/ex-barclays-chief-jes-staley-banned-for-misleading-watchdog-over-epstein/



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    US judge orders names of more than 170 Jeffrey Epstein associates to be released

    The names of more than 170 associates of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein could be made public next month after a ruling from a US judge.

    Prince Andrew is expected to be among them, if evidence is released from a woman who claims he groped her in 2001.

    The identities are being revealed under a settled lawsuit against sex trafficker and Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Anyone on the list has until 1 January to appeal to have their name removed.

    Epstein, a millionaire financier known to mix with high-profile figures like Prince Andrew, died in jail in 2019.

    His death, as he awaited federal sex-trafficking charges, was ruled to be a suicide by the New York medical examiner.

    The 51-page ruling issued on Monday by New York Judge Loretta Preska calls for Epstein's connections to be "unsealed in full".

    It is the latest filing in the case brought by Virginia Giuffre against Maxwell, a former British socialite who is serving a 20-year prison term for the crimes she committed with Epstein.

    Ms Giuffre's defamation lawsuit was brought in 2015 and settled in 2017, leaving the names of scores of Epstein associates under a court-ordered seal.

    They include 40 documents of evidence from Johanna Sjoberg, who has claimed Prince Andrew groped her breast while sitting on a couch inside Epstein's Manhattan apartment in 2001.

    Buckingham Palace has previously said the allegations are "categorically untrue".

    Last year, the Duke of York paid millions to Ms Giuffre to settle a lawsuit she filed claiming that he sexually abused her when she was 17 years old.

    Prince Andrew said he had never met Ms Giuffre and denied her allegations.

    In her ruling, Judge Preska noted that many of the individuals named in the lawsuit have already been publicly identified by the media or in Maxwell's criminal trial.

    She added that many others "did not raise an objection" to the release of the documents.

    Some of the names on the list will remain sealed, including those belonging to child victims, the judge said in her ruling.

    US congressional Republicans are pushing to subpoena the flight logs for Epstein's private plane.

    Convicted in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from a minor, Epstein had moved in social circles that included key figures in the world of business and politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭aziz


    Such a shame that the judge who ordered this is going to commit suicide by shooting her self 3 times in the back of her head



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    Very focused on Andrew. No real mention of other possible names on the list...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I think whatever the stories are about Andrew in relation to Epstein, we’ve essentially heard them at this stage - so I think it unlikely there will be anything new- but if there are less famous names, it might be an interesting exercise for tabloids but I’m not really a fan of guilt by association - if some of these people committed crimes then prosecute them- but just naming people linked to Epstein is a bit odd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,712 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, it's a BBC report. For their audience, Andrew's name has a relevance and a traction that other names likely to be on the list, by and large, don't have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Also, they don't actually know who is on the list so an org like the BBC would be loathe to speculate.



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