Where have all the workers gone?

Canada, Australia, Dubai, UAE, mainland Europe, you name it.

Not everyone has gone abroad to make huge money, but they see no reason to live in Ireland and pay mad rent or live at home with the folks. Can't blame them, I did it 10 years ago.

It's simple really. When you take the cost of living away from the monthly salary, there isn't enough left over to make building a life here worthwhile. Lousy public services, public transport, general amenities etc etc. Why wear a hair shirt here when you can go to any other EU country and earn a similar level of income and get more in return?

Inward migration by itself, isn't enough. Jimmy from Milan or anywhere else for that matter will do the same sums as Jimmy from Cork and come to the same conclusion. He's better off in Milan.

However Jimmy from São Paulo is likely to regard even a low standard of living here as better than what he could have at home.

It's pretty simple, wages in most of those jobs aren't great and the jobs tend to be crap

People have been looking at what to do after their leaving cert for years and on one hand they can become a guard, uphold the law by dealing with the utter scum of the earth every day, put their lives on the line and get paid a sh!t wage and crap benefits

Alternatively they could do something like data science, get a graduate job paying €40k+, live with their parents rent free and work from their bed

Why would anyone choose the former?

Same goes for teaching, nursing, childcare and pretty much all the other jobs that are facing shortages.

And because there hasn't been a pipeline of people going higher education for those sectors, now there's a shortage of graduates. Those that do graduate probably look at their job prospects and decide to do something more lucrative instead

Some of them go abroad, professions like doctors or nursing are always in demand elsewhere and are very easy to transfer elsewhere. A doctor can make 2-3 times in the US compared to here and pay far less tax for example

The old trick when this happens was to just import workers. But between a housing crisis, skyrocketing rents and cost if living, plus some stories about crime waves in Irish cities (particularly targeting foreign nationals), those potential workers decide to go somewhere easier to live

Bullshit. Some of that 6bn includes wages for teachers and nurses.

To be honest building housing all over the place ain't the answer either. Considering our basic infrastructure is shite as well

What do NGOs have to do with nurses, teachers and guards though?

Alternatively they could do something like data science, get a graduate job paying €40k+, live with their parents rent free and work from their bed

Why the fook woukd you live with your parents if you were earning €40k+

I was on far less than that when I loved out.

Also they must be pretty stupid parents if their son or daughter is earning €40k plus and living in their house and not at least charging them €100 a week in rent.

That's just very bad parenting. Once you hit 18 living is not free nor should it be.

I'm sure they'd love to move out but paying €1800 in rent for a shoebox probably doesn't appeal to a lot of people, especially when they also have to suck their landlords d!ck once a week on top to keep their lease

There's going to be a lot of young people forced to live with their parents just to afford a deposit on a €500k house which you couldn't swing a cat in

Yep they will work hard for the minimum and not speak up. As they are regularly told in a meat factory in this area if you don't like it you can go home and we will have another plane load here tomorrow.

Many people don't know HOW difficult it is to return. Just finding a place is almost impossible unless you buy it outright. .Then you have to contend with stuff that is almost impossible... getting school places (really difficult ) getting a GP (really difficult), the car insurance that rips you off on top of the usual finding a job.

And as mentioned earlier the pay isn't great in Ireland for many who go back. it's ok at most but it's not an incentive to go back, taxes take a big chunk too.

The post you quoted...

Easy credit and financial jiggery pokery has screwed over the working class, there's money for everything except for the things that actually matter.

As someone who came back (from Asia) after a decade some of those things you just have to suck up.

Car insurance for instance is fairly explanatory as to how the NCB works (its still a rip off)

Its not that difficult to find a doctor (admittedly more difficult than it should be)

Once you have all this set up though and then you see the sh1t going on and who/what your taxes go to support it really grates.

Bottom line,it ain't easy to move home.If you do be prepared to have trouble getting set up,pay through your hole and bit your lip about it.

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Teachers & garda are no longer desired professions. Society has lost respect for authority and to be honest as a qualified teacher who doesnt teach modern kids are badly behaved spoilt and its not worth my effot to try and form them . For too long they have used teachers as baby sitters for their out of control undisciplined brats ! These brats go onto harass the gardai and no one needs that shite in their lives. Parent these days all want ot be their kids best friends instead of teaching them manners and boundaries, I wouldnt teach for triple the salary !!

Where are they going? Rent is crazy everywhere these days. I have a friend who is an a and e consultant in Melbourne and can't afford to buy his own place. Nowadays Irish people leave for a while but most come back, I did this as did loads of folks I know.

That's my experience.

We have a two tiered economy now, funded by MNCs, where anyone with an STEM degree is being headhunted like crazy and is having money thrown at them.

Anyone with a non-STEM degree is dealing with a cost of living crisis.