Nagorno-Karabakh

briany · 30-09-2023 4:59pm

It's quite strange the lack of outrage over this as up to 120,000 ethnic Armenians look like they could end up being displaced. It's one thing to say that Armenia also did this to the Azeri in the 1990s, but I don't think Turkey and Azerbaijan will be happy until Armenia is wiped off the map. Armenia appears to have no reliable allies in this situation ever since Russia has essentially stood back and allowed this ethnic cleansing to happen.

fly_agaric · 30-09-2023 5:13pm

^^Yes, what of the Tsar in Russia?

I suppose too busy with his own bit of "ethnic cleansing".

Both countries seem like they would be in his sphere of influence and such in the language of the New [Russian] Multipolar World, birthed in Feb 2022.

Yet a poster (Elmer) pipes up to go after the EU and blame it for this somehow? I think the leverage of "Gayrope" may not be that great here (vs others, like Turkey and Israel perhaps). I thought its tentacles were supposed to be kept well away from the Russian near abroad in any case?

Gatling · 30-09-2023 6:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121177409#Comment_121177409

Check out the adoration for Putin too

briany · 30-09-2023 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121177409#Comment_121177409

Azerbaijan appears to be an ally of Turkey, and the Turks seem to really hate Armenia, especially ever since the late Ottoman period leading to the Armenian Genocide. It's a hatred that Azerbaijan shares.

I know the historical situation is not black and white, but the expulsion of the entire Armenian population (or practically so) is going to do little more than deepen the antipathy for generations to come. People talking about the UN failing in this situation - I agree, although the real failure was maybe in the 90s war and not being able to set something up that allowed both populations to live next to each other.

Stoned_Rosie · 30-09-2023 7:16pm

Azerbaijan bomb land that leads to 100k refugees fleeing yet nothing on isolating Azerbaijan for the "unjustified" invasion. Why?

Nermal · 30-09-2023 8:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121177409#Comment_121177409

He didn't blame the EU for anything, he just pointed out their hypocrisy.

Odhinn · 30-09-2023 9:13pm

A grim spectacle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66969845

Mike3549 · 30-09-2023 10:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121178136#Comment_121178136

You cannot invade your own country. By all international borders, it is a recognised territory of Azerbaijan.

Elmer Blooker · 01-10-2023 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121177409#Comment_121177409

when you can understand why some countries are ‘trustworthy allies’ and others are ‘regimes’ get back to me, ok?

01-10-2023 12:59pm

Whats happening now is merely the latest round of tit for tat ethnic expulsions thats been going on since the early 20th century. In the late 1980s for example what was left of the Azeri population were turfed out of Armenia. I’d say Azerbaijan were merely biding their time to respond in kind. Sadly for those Armenians that lived in Nagorno Karabakh the era of them living there is over and they are unlikely ever to return.

Rawr · 03-10-2023 8:49am

https://youtu.be/95cBN_HJbJk?si=pIbMmNr7FxmI_Fan

Some footage emerging over the weekend of journalists going into Stepanekert, showing the place abandoned

https://youtu.be/l137QEf4Ehg?si=9SS5huxPuPCkXFoR

https://youtu.be/yVfgFmsLeSk?si=ULQWLQiTOTLdTxZQ

fly_agaric · 07-10-2023 1:59pm

Was a French article related to this on RTE's European news section.

Apparently Azerbaijan was invited to recent EU/European leaders meeting in Granada (Armenia was represented at it) and snubbed it, perhaps showing the limitations of EU/European influence on this unfortunately.

https://rte.social.ebu.io/ZYJXQMLEGTRS

riffmongous · 10-10-2023 5:31pm

Any word on the plight of the people who fled?

I've seen nothing about the conflict since the media attention shifted at the weekend, ~~but also no appeals from NGO/charity groups for donations for refugees either, which I find very odd~~

edit: scratch that, I had a look and did find some limited appeals, no big campaigns though

Rawr · 10-10-2023 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219501#Comment_121219501

Very little alas, and the Isreal news has likely pushed this away for the foreseeable. Last updates from Armenia was that they were trying to rehouse all 100k+ people throughout the country with many apparently offering rooms to the refugees. However Armenia’s resources are limited even on a good day. They’re going to need external help to ensure that these refugees have shelter before the full force of winter sets in.

In the meantime it has been very quiet within Nagorno-Karabakh. I haven’t seen anything from there since those reporters were invited in.

Homelander · 11-10-2023 7:52pm

This whole affair has surely rendered the CSTO a new-age League of Nations, effectively defunct.

No great surprise, but massively embarrassing for Moscow and will push Armenia away from Russia. Though it seems Armenia is somewhat powerless in this situation without any support from Moscow.

Not an expert in this region at all but I thought this was a very interesting read.

riffmongous · 12-10-2023 12:06am

The only other place for them to go is Iran, and that won't end well either.

Unfortunately they've got nothing to offer the West, Azerbaijan has the oil, the close connections to Turkey and therefore NATO, the weapons contracts with the Israelis, and the potential for being a useful tool for causing unrest in Iran. Even earlier today I read Zelensky was discussing and agreeing with the Azerbaijani premier on territorial integrity.

The absolute political silence regarding the 100,000 ethnically cleansed just a few weeks ago tells you all you need to know about their future.

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