Where have all the workers gone?

I agree. One of my current housemates is a teacher and I wouldn’t do it for love nor money. She finishes early enough, but she’s up all night doing lesson plans, correcting crap or worrying about discipline students in case it reflects badly on her.

Leave.

If in a house share I assume she is relatively young. I would assume there is a year or 2 of extra graft in setting that up but after that you are reusing the same every year.

Great post full of backed up points as always.

Is she recently qualified? Or perhaps the curricula changed wildly?

I have several friends who have give the impression once you have set up decent set of lesson plans you are pretty much set. I do some part time teaching and these days there is zero class prep needed personally.

Drumcondra isn't nice? Since when?

€500k house

10% deposit = €50k

€450k divided by 4 (you can borrow 4 times your income) = €112,500

€112,500 annual income between a couple = €56,250 each/average.

Hardly impossible.

I don't really know tbh

For years I thought I was suffering from the grass is always greener on the other side or suffering from premature old man shakes fist at clouds

But I remember my mum back then who was a nurse tell me how much harder she worked in the past (in terms of hours and pay not being great and difficult situations - psychiatric not general....but even with all that how much less stressful it was when she started.......you weren't watching your back constantly, you had support, your fellow workers might cut lumps out of you in a way that wouldn't happen now but they were all relatively dependable and an actual community of sorts....she said sometime after she left when she got married it gradually deteriorated according to her friends.

I saw the same gradual change happening in teaching.....its moronic initiatives, kneejerk poorly thought out curricular change, a toxic divide and conquer management culture being forced in (even if management have the best of intentions the structure still guarantees this)....more reward for pr and being in the local papers and being a carrier pigeon than being a good teacher with standards etc etc

Then there is the absolute beating around the bush when a student does something wrong, not so much for one outrageous incident...but constant wilful disruption ...there's simply no discipline if the student themselves and their parents don't have standards but on paper the standards are very high for the teacher and you are nearly afraid of your shadow most days (I gave that up and didn't give two **** near the end as there's such a thing as your own wellbeing) and you can see it wearing people down

Then there's the constant arse covering and "planning" and initiatives that achieve no real benefit but do create extra pointless admin and work all so someone can get a bullshit promotion for a pittance in extra pay

It's a combo of shite I suppose but for me it was the complete lack of ability to impose discipline on a smallish (but growing cohort) of continuously disruptive badly behaved, badly socialised brats.....you would have to go to the funds of the earth with dome of them (some years) just yo be allowed cover material....I could do it but it was energy sapping and energy draining to essentially have to trick mini thugs into learning something so others could too everyday...

Basic standards and lines in the sand don't exist in some places but if you mess up you'll know about it

Etc etc......

The post you quoted was about getting a mortgage. This is based on gross wages and affordability… don’t really get how your point contradicts that.

My entire family and most of my college class have left Ireland at this stage.

our reasons were the astronomical personal tax, lack of facilities like public transport, loos, drinking water, parks. The violent crime, and just getting dog-tired of the miserable weather on top when the badly connected airports make it so hard to step off that damp rock for a few days.

the things I enjoy should all be in Ireland already, we have plenty of funding available. Like being able to be car-free with good public transport. To go for a fairly ordinary walk, or get a coffee, and not be stepping through dog or human waste on the way there. To not have a random stabbing in the news every other day.

I cannot believe I'm still listening to this crap in 2023!

Your ignorance of what a teacher's job entails should actually embarrass you. As well as your ignorance of the fact that low to middle income earners like teachers are now living at home well into their thirties, maybe even forties. Do you consider that relatively young?

But thinking all you need is a year or two of extra graft to set things up for life! Laughable how anyone could be so naive. But let me try to enlighten you about a teacher's job description in Ireland in 2023.

Constantly changing courses in certain subjects like JC and LC English necessitating the teacher to constantly retrain.

Class sizes the highest in Europe with every conceivable type of special need in there.

CBA, continuous assessment at JC level, which has been dubbed by students "couldn't be arsed." Go figure how stimulating that is for a teacher and that to be done outside class time!

Every young teacher now needing to break their back with several unpaid extra curricular activities, from lunchtime chess club to GAA sports to debating to extra English/Irish/ Maths. School managers shamelessly telling them they'd better be doing all this stuff to have any hope of the limited promotion opportunities.

Croke Park hours. Gone for most public servants. But still there for teachers. Mainly a pointless after school detention where even school managers are scratching their heads trying to find a reason for detaining mothers from their kids at 6PM on a winter's evening.

The countless extra hours of careful prep and correction that any dedicated teacher puts in to ensure his/her student performs to their best. Such hours are unquantifiable in today's classroom with kids of every conceivable need. Yet teachers are up for it!

You are seriously embarrassing yourself carrying on and commenting as if we were back 30-40 years ago, light years before the myriad of reforms that have made teaching a much tougher job.

This has to be one of the most hyperbolic posts I’ve ever read on boards and that’s saying something.

In terms of things you ‘enjoy’, I and many others do all of those things multiple times weekly, as do hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people across the country.

You really need to get some perspective on this country and I say this as somebody who lived abroad for over a decade.

That’s me told.

At least the teachers suffer in silence anyway 😀😀😀😀

You have no car , yet can get to a beach on a train, have a decent tax rate and have never encountered any crime or filth in Ireland? Amazing, I’ll join you immediately.

Where is this idyll?

Name the idyll that you believe exists where there are trains connecting to beaches throughout the country, that is crime-free, spotlessly clean, and where you pay minimal tax?

Here’s a hint. It doesn’t exist. I suggest you move abroad and try seeking out your imagined utopia. Happy hunting!