General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Who's asking for a replay? Plenty of pics showing Liverpool getting decisions against em last season, Gakpo literally showed stud scrapes on his chest when mings done him last year and ref waved it away. Like I said, decisions come and go your way but this one yesterday stinks.

Yeah but Spurs should issue a statement saying how it's terrible we got the benefit of VAR and give out about it, or something.

You've hit the nail on the head joe though, VAR will never get sorted right because of the tribalism and point scoring. They'll keep getting away with it.

I think the AI offside is the only way to go. Take human error out of it

Probably feck that up to, but yeah, its the way to go.

As long as they can program in the anti Liverpool decisions, they'll be grand.

Only saw this clip now from the game earlier today. Keeper absolutely boots Wissa and no penalty awarded 🤦‍♂️

He backtracked at full time on his halftime stance,I laughed anyway, the only thing in the farce I found funny,langer should have stood his ground right or wrong, not strong enough in his own opinions.

Also that video of the referees face when he was told that they fecked up. A picture paints a thousand words. He made 2/3/4 big decisions after that. What way did they go?

I thought the Jones one was a red.

The Diaz one was a joke. Very similar to the one for Brentford against Arsenal where they forgot to draw the lines. A mistake like that should only happen once so they really need to look at improving the process.

The first Jota one was harsh but in real time it looked like he clipped him to stop a break away. That happens in every game and there is never focus on the yellow. There is only focus on it now due to Jota being an idiot and lunging in a minute after he got booked.

The imaginary card thing also needs to be looked at. Some people get booked and some don't. It should be the easiest thing in the world to be consistent about yet they somehow mess it up.

In fairness, that’s not all PGMOL can do. These decisions cost points and when the error is so egregious then they should ask for a full review into why it happened.

We’ve seen 19 admissions I think from PGMOL around incorrect decisions or VAR not intervening when it should, but they don’t seem to have learned anything from those incidents. Without pressing for things like actual reviews and updates to the process based on those findings nothing will get better.

But they haven't explained the error. And it's clearly not all they can do, they can also state what changes they have made to the process to ensure this never happens again.

Also, this is simply a subjective decision that turns out to he incorrect, it was two people responsible for operating VAR who had no idea what had actually happened on the field and were also never told what had happened. The reality is if the refs haven't been so consistently bad the only answer to this would he a fix.

Do your homework on where we finish

Not to drag on this, as it becoming repetitive at this stage, but this is my whole issue with the whole VAR in these situation. Yes one guy can somehow make a mistake in not doing the only thing he's meant to be doing while at work, that much beggars belief. But where I get lost in all this, is what was the VAR assistance at during this process? Like does he just sit there nodding in agreement to all decisions being made, regardless of any errors made, because if that's the case, what's the point in having them there in the 1st place. Surly 2 people could not be that incapable of such a simple task.

Liverpool were right to make the statement they did last night.

The PGMOL basically said we messed up, and nothing is going to happen as a result. No apologies, no comments such as 'we will do better', or aim to improve the processes etc. They basically said we did the only thing we have to do correctly, wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it. And don't care question us or we'll suspend you from playing and/or a heavy fine.

Liverpool taking it further is actually beneficial for all clubs if the processes change, such as wording for offside checks. Or if some more transparency is brought to us. Football fans should want that. Leave the tribalism aside for once.

For a start, they can explain how they messed up, and who did it. Release the audio. Why did the VAR not use words like 'goal can be awarded' when they are used in every other check? Why was it rushed?

And then we can look into setting new rules, if they are not already in place, around now the decisions are worded. Which benefits everyone. Stop having referees or VAR hide and not be accountable.

Or they could do the logical thing and ditch VAR entirely.

I remember when linesmen got 99% of decisions right along with the odd decision wrong.

It was better than this shite, but nobody wants to address the white elephant in the room.

Release the audio and let everyone hear it, as fans I think all we want is transparency and I really don't understand why it's so difficult to get that.

Mistakes happen, it's part of life but if there was more transparency it'd result in better communication. More people hear the error and more people able to turn around potentially at the time and say wait, that's wrong.

Rugby have it, it may not be perfect but you feel involved as a fan in the stadium and more so on TV. When it's not revealed, that's where conspiracy theories and agendas start to snowball.