Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

This ridiculous argument again....

The Irish who emigrated either found work and shelter, or they starved, got sick, and died.

There were no supports of free welfare, accommodation, medical care etc waiting for them when they got off the boat.

Can this completely inaccurate and false comparison be put to bed?

@Honesty Policy from my personal experience two members of my family, one a nurse, the other a teacher are returning down under where they had lived for 10 years previously, after giving it a fair go here for the last few years, had enough of it quality of life just wasn't there for the experience they brought and too much pressure in their work lives, they're not the only ones by a long shot... Government collectively whistling past the graveyard

The vast vast majority of Ukranian refugees are in the spare rooms of peoples primary residences or holiday homes and there is currently an oversupply of good people willing to put Ukranians up

The tents at Stradbally are only a holding area as logistically it's a pain to organise all this but it makes a great headline to suggest they were meant to be there long-term

You have no proof how long they will be in Stradbally or if those numbers will increase .'' The vast majority are in private residences '' rubbish see the link

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/p-aui/arrivalsfromukraineinirelandseries10/

And most of the remainder (Soc Dems, PBP etc.) are even more pro-immigrant-refugee...

Well there's a huge part of the country to the west that they could try in that case. As I've said before, it's like someone in Kerry fleeing to Greece because of a bombing in Belfast - or going to Greece rather than maybe Donegal or anywhere else in Ireland first.

I have sympathy and empathy for their situation and we all agree Russia is in the wrong here - but I feel zero obligation or responsibility for solving the issue. This conflict could go on for several more years and I'm honestly far more concerned about OUR country and its citizens and the negative effects this conflict is having here.

We have our own problems - largely self-inflicted as a result of mismanagement, waste and the lack of oversight but many of which are getting significantly worse by the month as a result of the added pressures on our limited resources.

That's where our priorities lie. THEN we can worry about saving the planet. 🙄

Can't agree on that. Kyiv and Lviv are hit by cruise missiles regularly, air raid sirens going off all the time etc. There's nothing remotely normal about that. Imagine if Dublin or Cork were regularly being hit by cruise missiles sent from Britain. People would be hugely stressed and not at all relaxed, probably even have PTSD.

No, our figures don’t “differ” - there are those that reflect reality (mine) and those that are in your imagination. I’m not for a second going to get into your Trumpesque attempt at “alternative facts” nonsense.

We can agree that you were talking out of your arse, and were caught red arsed.

Re the Ukrainians and their accommodation I’m not sure precisely what the breakdown of their emergency accommodation is, or how it affects access to housing for our own homeless.

However I do know they are occupying a large portion of our available tourist accommodation, which drives up prices for visitors and makes us a far less attractive destination. This has further deleterious knock on effects for local businesses and restaurants in these areas that rely on tourism.

We’ve just allocated another billion more quid to pay for that - do you understand the concept of opportunity cost? That’s a billion quid that could be spent on our own housing infrastructure, but won’t be.

Fairly sure our results do in fact differ as yours say one thing and mine say another, whether yours is true or mine are is irrelevant to that point and we still agree that there are no Ukrainian refugees taking up the homes that homeless in this country need...

Yes 1bn spent on protecting Ukranians, sounds like a lot of money but wasn't our bank bailout €60bn? Most of the 1bn you refer to is coming from the EU to aid Ukranians so we wouldn't be able to spend it on homeless accomodation in any case

They hit Kyiv about once every 3-4 months. So try to understand that going there for a day or 2 the odds are that you might be ok but living there permanently, not so much

I think there's a degree of truth to the politicians part of your post as was proven by the Russians knowing about Joe Bidens visit a few months back. I assume the Russians killing a foreign leader, however accidental it might be, could be seen as an act of War against another country.

So none of those figures for your first claim and nothing on your latter claim that I can’t find anything about.

Almost as if they don’t exist. Colour me shocked.

Only a partisan ideologue is happy to blatantly lie to others in championing their dogma. If you’re in the right you shouldn’t need to lie.

I’d be embarrassed of myself if I couldn’t be honest about the facets of my beliefs, good and bad.

See my post above. It's not our responsibility to resolve the issue nor should we be making our own problems worse by taking on more than we can handle as we've done.

As for your last point - emotive nonsense though it is, I am not in a position to do that because I'm one of those who is paying for all these efforts and gets very little in return.

But that's indeed where our efforts should be going (solving our own problems) , not into making the situation worse for everyone - homeless, working, native or otherwise.

Again I feel sympathy and empathy for the situation in Ukraine and its people, but zero sense of responsibility or liability. We have our own problems to deal with.