The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Well look, thanks for that anyway.

It's seems you're happy to take the debate away from the sport. 👍️

We can have that argument about whether it's partitionist or not, but once we can both agree that fans can have whatever singalong they like, I think that's great progress.

Is that why you think it is offensive, because it is "partitionist"? That took a while, maybe 20 pages and a big hint.

Is that what you took from that???

I don't think it's partitionist at all.

Like any piece of art, it's open to interpretation.

For me there's enough scope to the lyrics that it could be seen or used that way.

Just like it could be seen or used as an anti-war song, a pro-loyalist song, a singalong song, an anti UK song, an anti-nationalist song, an anti-terrorism song, an anti-independence song, an anti-treaty song, commercial exploitation of the troubles etc, etc, etc.

What I wouldn't do is insist that anyone who disagrees with me 'supports child murder'

You’re the one who seems upset at anyone that disagrees with you, calling people idiots and quoting the song at others.

I believe that’s called projection.

I’m just disgusted at how a quite meaningful song has been co-opted to a brainless stadium chant. It’s no skin off my nose, won’t affect me in the real world, only that I’ll think it’s a pity.

my perspectives on history ? stuff happened or it didnt its not a debate or perspective

as has been pointed out many many times already , this whole thing was started by shinners on twitter, it blew up in their face as it often

does your continued arguing a lost cause is baffling but sure if you've nothing better to do .....

I'd never heard of Therapy? until this thread so I'm guessing they weren't as successful as the Cranberries. That's why I suggested jealousy might be his issue.

As for his community, I was referring to those in NI, on both sides, that hold the bigoted views that they need to fight, march, bomb for their side. I see the song as being anti-war, anti-terrorism, anti-pIRA, anti-Troubles. I also see it as a song about defiance. Standing up to a bunch of cowardly assholes and saying "**** you, what you're doing is not in my name or my country's name." It's now an Irish classic known around the world. And Irish fans singing it at sports events is fantastic.

The only people bringing politics into it are you, the Shinners and the RA heads. Everyone else is just having a good time and enjoying the occasion. And long may it continue.

Well I tried.

So there's no perspectives on a song, or any art? It all has a fixed meaning and people aren't free to interpret it?

That's a very scary idea.

I suspect you don't really believe it and you're just doing your best to drag these politics into sport.

FFS, What a load of crap! Of corse Northern Irish exists as identity. 376,444 people identified as this in 2021 census.

I did not think this thread could get any worse but you just took it there.

They celebrate them when they are alive too, this is a man who was questioned by Gardai about the murder of an Irish prison officer.

Hey, I'm happy for people to sing the song as a singalong, not my cup of tea for a sports song, but that's really neither here not there.

I'm just trying to keep these politics out of sports, and I see what's being used to try to drag them in is this nonsense that 'whoever objects to this supports terrorism', making it an us and them thing. Serving then as an excuse to keep talking about these politics, instead of housing, health, neutrality etc.

Therapy weren't quite as commercially successfully as the Cranberries, but there's was a much harder rock sound. They were still very successful critically and I'm sure made quite a penny.

But why do you talk about people in NI and 'their communities'? As far as I can see this guy distanced himself from any kind of sectarianism and just didn't like the song because he thought it fed into the same kind of condescending view that you're sharing here? That nothing existing in NI other than two communities of extremists hating each other. I mean by your own admission you know nothing about the guy and you're assuming he's representing a community of bigots!

I don't want to speak for the guy, but maybe he was just taking a defiant stand against the type of BS you're pushing?

Wait a minute who am I aligning myself with? Russia? That's hilarious!

Oh please explain to me how you got to that?

I suppose a big difference between a terrorist and a member of an 'official' army is that the terrorist has free will and is doing what they do because they totally believe in the cause (which is what she meant by asking 'what's in your head?').

Do you accept politics in sport? Yes or No?

One minute you say you are campaigning to take politics out of sport, the next you have no trouble with FAI getting involved in politics.

So which is it?

I'm alright with a sporting organization taking political actions, if it's what they want, and the fans want.

In this case it looks to me like the fans just want a singalong, but you and a few others want to turn it into a political campaign of some sort?

bollox , your trying to twist my words ,

there is no perspective on events that actually happeneds, there s what happened and what didnt ,

i think ye got in over you head in this topic and are trying to slink away