General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

build a bridge bud.

That bit has lost me a wee bit... you reckon as long as the end result (that the literal result of the match is affected) is the same, there's no difference in events? That's obviously silly... the type of failing is obviously pretty crucial to how people will feel about it.

You're talking about emotion as if it's some weird exact robotic output... emotion will be dictated by circumstances, and these circumstances were particularly weird. I would also say that the level of emotion in all these different mess ups are all different to each other, depending on context. There's no lab-tested exact level of emotion fans should feel that will umbrella all ref errors. To think there is is a bit mad.

I don't think a justification of emotion is required tbh (especially when a fan learns match officials immediately knew it should be 1-0, but chose to continue with the match at 0-0 anyway without interceding), but another factor - that i touched upon earlier - is the timing of the information. Normally a bad call happens, and we immediately know the full context, as much as we disagree with it. The ref's decided not to call whatever thing, and that's that. And so you have some bit of annoyed closure on it once the match is over. This one ended with a massive mystery hanging over it of exactly what happened in the VAR office. Even as late as the airing of Monday Night Football, there were still new pieces of information being added to that. And there's been more info since about the will-they/won't-they on the release of the audio. A continued story will always have a continued reaction. That's just how humans work.

Anyway, as I said before, who cares if a set of fans of another club feel aggrieved 48 hours later? What skin off anyone's nose is it? Like, you seem as invested in the liverpool reaction, as liverpool fans are invested in the actual event itself.

The sheer volume of your posting on the subject across multiple threads, and the emotive sentiments involved, would appear to suggest the opposite.

And Liverpool fans asking for a change to that communication is seemingly wrong going by the constant comments and sniping in this thread, when it only helps every other team to never have the situation that happened on Saturday. Just move on they say.

The VAR told the referee to award the goal but the referee never did and the scoreline never changed. That has never happened before and should never happen again.

All the posters taking about other incidents that are subjective calls is a lot of crap IMO. Subjective calls happen. Such miscommunication cannot. There have been other incidents down the years where incidents have happened and they should not have. They resulted in changes to the system. The Paul Pogba goal against West Ham for example where the cameras were not set up on the sideline. The cameras are now. Only one team ever got on the right side/wrong side of that sort of freak occurence and now every team has the correct set up. It result in an instant change, and for the better. This isn't giving out about a red card etc. It's a system and process change that needs to be made.

A major feck up has to result in a change. This wasn't subjective, it was matter of fact. Subjective happens, matter of fact cannot.

They really need to do away with all this drawing of lines tbh. There’s already a better system out there, just bloody use it! The automated offsides worked well in the World Cup and would have made the right call for Diaz’s goal at the weekend

Because apparently the VAR thought the goal was given, so did a quick check which confirmed Diaz was onside. So he announced check was complete.

if that's the case then the only change required is for them to say "check complete - decision is not offside" rather than just "check complete". Stick that at the end of a comprehensive 80 page report and give it to Klopp.

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" as Napoleon (possibly) said.

The graphic would have shown after the decision is taken. How quickly it is shown i dont know. But if the game had restarted then what would have happened Saturday. Would they have stopped the game to implement the correct decision. Because apparently the ref knew very quickly and they didnt stop it.

But if it just signals that the player is onside to VAR then it would have played out exactly as it did on Saturday. The VAR knew the player was onside.

The AI system is better than the lines but im not sure how much it would have helped Saturday.

It seems a very easy fix for what happened on Saturday. Add the words goal/no goal to the graphic instead of just saying check complete.

you're missing the point that the VAR person said 'check complete', meaning to award the goal. The referee assumed that 'check complete' meant offside stands. The automated technology would still needs a VAR official to relay the information to the referee.

The officials either didn't follow protocol of 'check complete - you may award the goal' and/or the PL need to now update this process to ensure that these words are said for all decisions now to remove the possibility of confusion.

Whatever about the call on offside, are we really expected to believe that there aren’t better referees that could be flown out to Abu Dhabi instead of those lads? Really? Why are they doing it? How much are they getting paid? What entertainment is laid on for them?

Why do politicians have to have a register of interests and gifts? It’s to keep the appearance of impropriety out of it. Of all the countries that Abu Dhabi could have got officials from for an all expenses paid trip, they choose the same country where they own a team? And why? Because they’re the best? It’s clear they aren’t….

They're releasing the audio.

It's mad that Gary Neville could hear it live but it took Liverpool 3 days to hear the audio.

I suspect that's the path this goes down, the audios we've heard have been extremely poor when compared with the calm and concise language used in other sports. Communication is where this went wrong and that has to be addressed - Rugby change theirs regularly to try and nail down the best language to avoid confusion or mistakes. There's no shame in looking for improvement

Once Liverpool or United are involved however, this forum becomes unbearable, legitimate arguments out the window.

Does anyone know what appeared on the "big screen" after this?

I thought the decision was shown here e.g.

or

to avoid confusion, especially so the fans would know what was going on.