Russia - threadbanned users in OP

They don't have to toe any line they have given substantial aid and more than likely left their own security with gaps ,

https://x.com/xrperun/status/1708951842464391211?s=46&t=6cLnc0ZtzhK8nMknfB_HwQ

EU already interfering with a democratically elected leader. Aren’t they great with the whole democracy.

Back Ukraine or we’ll cut you off. Dangerous game to be playing.

What?

This is the same nonsense that the UK came out with. We will do what we like but you have to fund it or you hate democracy! And people complain about left wingers wanting free money.

If countries have common interests then they should obviously work together but if one is working towards reducing the military security of the rest then obviously they won't have the same interests in common.

It is always the democratic intent of the more extreme countries that have to be listened to as well. If democratically elected leaders of Germany or Sweden don't want to put their countries money towards hurting the people of the Ukraine that doesn't count as democracy and they should be forced to use their money towards Slovakia because their votes supercede the German ones for some reason.

I always find that UK/US news outlets always hail a Slovakia type result as an entire government switch out because of the binary nature of their own winner takes all democracies.

All it does highlight how a that not all democracy is the same, some like the UK and USA are more volatile than most others but are mostly unaware of that fact.

Their security is guaranteed by NATO and underwritten by replacements from Germany.

Presuming that isn't a deep fake.

Mouthy populist being populist. Yawn.

They will toe the line.

It's part of the T&Cs.

The door is there if they want it.

That seems to be referring to a grouping of parties in EU parliament...not "the EU".

If positions of his party in govt. end up incompatible with the others (i.e. openly pro Russia/Putin) and they vote against the others of the same group in EU parliament on Ukraine issues, why would they want them? Why would they even stay?

Am sure they would be welcome with the assorted oddball Brown-Red types in that grouping Wallace and Daly etc. are in (GUE-NGL).

Unfortunately there are times you have to fight for peace this is one I reckon. There is no peace deal except capitulate to all of what Putin wants that's the only thing he wants on this occasion .He wouldn't honour any deal as him and his type just then start looking at the next thing they want it would go on and on .

Pro peace? Yes: the peace of the grave.

Your post is a litany of half truths and misrepresentations.

We're not telling anyone they need to keep going. Ukraine are the ones that are saying they want help to keep fighting.

Pro-peace without regard to Ukrainian security is to be pro-Putin and pro-Russia and pro aggressive war in reality. It is to reward warfare and aggression. Peace is not merely the absence of war, but to live in safety and security.

As for "war hawks"? Well two can play that game more easily and history shows how wrong your post is.

Something which seems to be lost on the "peaceniks" here is that violent deaths don't just occur in war.

Under Russian occupation nobody is maimed? Nobody is raped? Nobody is tortured? Nobody is imprisoned and abused?

Something else which seems to be lost on the "peaceniks" here is that Ukraine has a peace treaty with Russia, it is called the Budapest agreement.

So you are supposedly pro peace? So what's your remedy when one side unilaterally and repeatedly breaks that peace treaty to invade and kill the other side?

Only the dead know the end of war.

You dont understand democracy do you?

Democracy is not blindly tearing up all previous agreements without consequences.

Democracy is democratically elected governments being held to the commitments of their predecessors if they still wish to still avail of the benefits of those commitments

But they are not pro-peace. They are Pro-Russia. Something which I suspect is not at all lost on the pro-authoritarian fan-boys here. Thousands of people are dying, being maimed daily, by an unnessisary war of conquest being waged by the Russian Federation. Easy to sit in comfort thousands of miles away telling people of the need to roll over for the sake of «peace» from the comfort of Ireland, when it is not your home town facing destruction, or the prospect of your family being raped & probably murdered by the Russians.

(Felt that post of yours was in need of some reframing)

He is most definitely pro Putin, he's parroted the Kremlin line about Nazis and Fascists in Ukraine being responsible for the war.. So either you're entirely oblivious to this or lying.