General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

given that it has dominated every podcast, every paper, every phone-in, and the discussion here, you’re clearly wrong on that. Fans obviously and demonstrably DO care about the manner of the failure.

And there was indeed new info being meted out right up to Monday evening, including that the ref seemingly hadn’t been informed until half time, despite the VAR knowing they had messed up within 7 seconds. And of course there are still large question marks hanging over the mystery - how did all 3 people in the room make the same error of not realising the goal was given as offside?

The rest of the post is a bit bizarre. You seem very upset that someone is asking for improvements. Who cares if it’s altruistic or selfish? The net result will be an improved system, which is only a good thing. The only way to get there is through a transparent report that looks into VARs protocols and failings and actively tries to improve them. That’s literally all that is being asked for. They can’t just keep dishing out apologies without fixing things.

Wouldn’t agree there, there’s been dozens of podcasts and stories and discussions all about the error itself rather than the reactions. I listen to a fair few football podcasts (all neutral, none club focused) and actually none have been about the reaction. There's a clear interest in the story of what went wrong, I don’t know why you’re trying so hard to say that there isn’t in the face of all actual evidence. And sure what’s wrong with there being interest in it - it’s an interesting story.

And maybe just avoid the conspiracy nuts? I’ve seen very little of that myself, so it’s not too hard to do (doubtless the likes of twitter comments will be inundated with insanity, but that’s ever the case regardless what’s going on) .

The statement was also grand, you’re hugely overreacting there. Honestly the most emotive responses I’ve seen relating to all this are increasingly yours.

What you're completely failing to understand is that this is something that has never happened before, and should never happen again. That's why there is furore.

It's not because of what teams are involved, as much as you and others keep trying to infer.

It's not a subjective call either, so there is no debate on it. But many are trying to debate aspects of what happened and what to do doing forwards.

I was happy enough to write it off as one of those things but that is **** amateur hour. Are you actually trying to tell me that there isn't a clear line of dialogue that needs to be followed in order to ensure that everybody is on the same page? Or did they just ignore it?

Ridiculous.

The operator did a great job there, he was calm and clear. Unfortunately they didn't listen to what he was saying.

Imagine being this wound up about the fact you couldn't beat a nine man team with no striker with the refs literally taking goals away and you needed a 96th minute og.

I expect 8 more posts here and in the Liverpool thread about how wound up you're not.

As has been said many times now, this was the first example of this type of incident where VAR has given a go ahead to award a goal, but the referee and scoreline did not award the goal.

The sheer incompetence of the speech out of them. They totally string each other up with contradictory language, within the same sentence.

Insane audio, monumental screw up really.

Oh absolutely, it was hilariously bad but even if Liverpool hadn't made such a huge issue of it no doubt it would be looked at by PGMOL to avoid recurrence going forward.

That's the problem though - this is apparently the way all such communication takes place. The actual nature of their conversation is not an outlier or error. Only the outcome is the error. This casual over-confidence of people talking over each other, without any clear protocols for specific descriptive language to be used so everyone knows exactly what is taking place.

Dion Fanning was talking yesterday about how every VAR conversation he's heard the recordings of sounded like a circus going on in the background, and it seems this one is no different. This is just the way they do things, and have continued doing things after each of their previous 14 apologies. I've no doubt that without being forced into public embarrassment, they'd have just carried on, same as they carried on after the rest. (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they actually don't improve that communication process much either - it feels like this over-confident self-important machismo permeates every aspect of English officiating)

is there any point when the ref relays to VAR that the on field decision was offside? cos thats where the **** up happens.

listening again, it seems the VAR operator never told them the on field decision was offside.

VAR operator: Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside.

why didnt he tell them this before the decision?

It’s honestly pathetic that we have the actual audio to discuss and people would still prefer to angle it as a pop at Liverpool and Liverpool fans.

The audio did show the lack of structure around VAR calls which is the obvious area of improvement - 4 years in and that level of communication is pretty poor. If they could improve the structure of the conversation and the process once a mistake happens it’ll go a long way to resolving the issues.

So after all the hullabaloo its just human error, the same as every other VAR cóck up.

What a shocking result this is!

I don't know what some of you have been reading because there's been little in the way of conspiracy here. Christ you lot destroy this thread