Russia - threadbanned users in OP

They left Ukraine because Europe offered refuge. Not everyone can fight, and not everyone wants to fight.

Millions left the areas Russia annexed quickly (people that didn't wish to live under Russian occupation) and also areas near current front lines within range of Russian artillery and other attacks, which fighting has made unlivable.

Without the easy access to the EU, the people would mostly have had to be rehoused and supported in unoccupied regions of Ukraine, a large burden for a country trying to defend itself. As already mentioned movements in/out of Ukraine have been ebbing and flowing since then, with the progress of the war etc.

Govt.'s of countries that are facing existential threat + are a gonner if the military fails [a situation we could find it hard to bend our noodles around] will try and urge people to join the military, and will use conscription when they have to. Should not be a big shock.

That this happens is not actually a reflection of public support in Ukraine for continuing fighting, or for the current positions of their govt. on land concessions to Russia to stop the figting etc. No one rational usually wants to fight "to the death" and of course should situation becomes hopeless for Ukraine (it is not I think), they will stop fighting.

It is all just the heaping of misery their neighbour has piled on them, but for some reason you criticise govt. there or those giving military aid that helps them keep fighting.

Russia of course has no need to fight and no reasons to force people into their meat grinder but they are busy doing both all for a filthy war of choice with pretty base goals. Putin can try & throw a coat of patriotic Mother Russia paint on it but we outside the bubble should be able to see what it is. People piping up about Ukraine & conscription don't have very much to say about this here usually!

Look at the end of the day, the only way the war will end is through negotiations. Whether that’s today, tomorrow, next week, month or year.

I’ll be happy once it’s over and people can get back to some semblance of normality. Apparently that makes me some form of Putin supporter. The world is not black and white. There are shades of gray everywhere.

How do you negotiate with someone who has proven they won't stick to an agreement? Ukraine gave up its soviet era nuclear weapons with an agreement with russia that their borders were to be respected yet now putin has taken part of Ukraine and sent hundreds of thousands of troops there to occupy the land they ceased or die trying to do so. I have read some of the weapons they gave up have actually been fired back at Ukraine by putin's forces just to make it even clearer that putin can not be trusted.

The idea that there was going to be a massive break in the moskovyte lines this summer and the occupying troops would be expelled quickly from Ukraine was a nice idea but I suspect Ukraine is aware that they need to destroy putin's war machine so it can't be used against them again and unfortunately I don't think that is going to be achieved very quickly. The Ukrainians are however making progress.

The negotiation is Russia leaves.

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if you think that Ukrainians will accept any kid of " Deal" with the monster who has unleashed hell on their country, its you who needs to think again. If all support for Ukraine was to collapse in the morning ( it won't) and Putin rode into Kiev on his tanks in victory celebrations,, his hell would only be starting. In 10 years Russia was unable to subdue Afghanistan, and remember, his military had the full run of the Country on land and in the air. Yet they failed. And one of the reasons they failed was because the cost of keeping in Afghanistan the military to keep it subdued. It was driving Russia to bankruptcy. Another reason was the Nr of body bags coming home each week, and this was microscopic compared to the Nr of dead and injured Russian's that have and are coming back to Russia on a weekly basis from Ukraine. Ukraine will still be there and still Ukrainian long after Putin and his mafia thugs are long dead and gone. Puti bit off more than he can chew, and already the indigestion is settling in and eventually, it will kill him.

Lets see in 1 year the importance of artillery, no doubht it will still be important, but drones are coming ahead in leaps and bounds rapidly

Much cheaper and more accurate to send one drone instead of 4 shells

This war is constantly changing, not just this war but probably also wars in the future

Yeah and no ,

Drone is effective where and when you don't have to deal with electronic warfare systems,but when you have dedicated modem systems drones loose effectiveness,the fpv drones being used in Ukraine are operating on 2.5-5 GHz Radio, Jam those properly your drones become a paperweight, where 4 155mm do serious damage and you Can't jam them ,and while drones look like the future more and more counter drones are coming online , small drones have very limited operating times something like 25 minutes at most and that drops dramatically in cold weather

Preparation for seaborne invasion?

It is interesting that he says "we" got him in...we as in FSB.

True and when you extend the argument the question becomes 'Is this really Putin's war or is he just a useful fanatic, fronting a sinister FSB war?' People say Putin went a bit crazy during lockdown and started a war. I think it is more complex than that.

There is no point negotiating with Russia. Russia doesn't abide by its own agreements. Putin may not be immortal but there is no great appetite for a functional democratic society in Russia. Who comes after Putin will be just as bad or worse.

The only way Ukraine survives is for Russia to be completely broken or Russia to withdraw to its own borders while agreeing to hand over it's citizens involved in the multitude of war crimes committed by Russia; along with Russian assets being used to cover the reconstruction of the sovereign country it decided to invade. There is no happy ending here and no amount of Hellen Lovejoy esque wringing of hands will make it ok.

As you know he's his one loyal army within the military,two main objective squash decent and keep him in power,