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Farm payments 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭anfieldrd


    Where can you see on Agfood what your SFP will be this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    In the main menu under bdgp tab the next tab is basic income can't remember the rest of it click on that and you'll find it there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭893bet


    Do you need to really every year and at what stage dues that occur?



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭massey 265


    SFP this year is changed to b.i.s.s. To check your b.i.s.s. just Log onto ag food,go to b.i.s.s. then to correspondence and view findings .



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    You really don’t know much about the costs associated with a GAA club. Jerseys and balls are a minor cost.

    Team manager: even junior clubs are paying managers upwards of €100 a session these days; physio bills easily run to €10-15k a year; a lot of teams do food after training especially if they have lads travelling back midweek for training, protein milk, bananas, etc. strength and conditioning coaches, weekend training trips, etc. I could go on. Senior clubs are operating at the same professional level that some counties were 15 years ago

    GAA clubs have much bigger grounds than soccer clubs hence the general upkeep is higher. Diesel for the generator where floodlights are in situ, electricity bill for the clubhouse. Notwithstanding the constant improvements that a lot of clubs maintain - electric scoreboards are becoming the norm in clubs nowadays.

    kids membership in my GAA club is €10 , soccer is €100. The biggest difference is that the GAA have a much greater means of raising money- club lottos are in practically every GAA club in the country and will clear between €20-30k a year. Maybe get €10k from their sponsors. And do a one off fundraiser and get another €30-40k Soccer clubs simply are not on that scale and rely on the membership to cover same. GAA clubs benefited a lot form sports capital grants in the pass whereas soccer clubs are only catching up now on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,294 ✭✭✭tanko


    No, apply once and you’re in it for five years when accepted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    10 euro membership for gaa is crazy cheap in these times. The thing that annoyed me about the fact club was little Johnny being sent home with raffle tickets from his team. Each child would get a book. So if you've 3 kids, 3 books and expected to return 3 books sold. Child asked at next training session why they haven't sold their book of tickets in front of everyone there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    At an away game a few weeks ago, my lad went into the ditch after a ball and came back out with 5. The club were delighted with him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Agree about costs of running. Between GAA & LGFA theres a constant need for fundraising but in fairness to the Parish they are brilliant at supporting the club. My club are raffling a Limousin heifer at the moment.


    https://member.clubforce.com/tickets_m.asp?LL_ID=667&fbclid=IwAR18gLwCKq4A7_Ca2hrvQo9xYRI-_kUovT5t4XTUvMWn6s6lrbxz8WUUZLA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    But another poster said kids membership is 10 euro in their club, if this was increased to 20 euro there mightnt be any need for fundraising during the year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Our membership is about 80 for a juvenile member and 120 for an adult if I remember correctly. I don't know of any club that only charges €10.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Wife knew a lad who used to mow the hurling field in Ennis. I think I know where all the sliotars ended up, and it wasn’t under the lawnmower either.

    Edit, we are wayyyy off topic now.

    Post edited by blue5000 on

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Same here. Both myself and herself are heavily involved at committee level and the time we spend on it has become unsustainable. I am dropping off next year and herself will be stepping back from her officer role to a standard committee member. Ill go back at it in a few years when the kids are a bit hardier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Yea same here. Heavily involved in committee and fundraising for club. It is a thankless job. U wouldn’t mind doing a year and then someone else steps in but like everything no one wants to step up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Definitely off topic but anyways;

    Club membership is not as simple as comparing the headline figure .It depends on what the fee includes. GAA clubs around here vary from 50 to 100 for juvenile and 60 to 150 for adult players.Some insist all coaches are members (think its a requirement to be on a committee in every club)

    Soccer varies greatly with some on 40 for juveniles and others at 100 euro.In some clubs the fee covers socks,shorts,training and ref fees.Other clubs you may have a cheaper fee but have to bring ref money to each game plus purchase your own socks and shorts.

    My own club would perhaps be mid range in price but it covers all referee fees ,training under lights and every player from U8 to adult gets club socks and shorts at start of every season.Also can depend on where your club plays as different leagues charge different player registration fees and club affiliation fees.Some leagues charge a flat rate per team whilst others charge per player (30 euro here at present for an adult plus 3 euro to the FAI).Add that 33 euro along with socks and shorts (12 euro) plus referee (maybe 20 games at 30 euro per team per ref so 1 euro fifty per player per game ) at say 30 you are getting close to 80 euro without anything to run a club,purchase balls etc etc.

    Not as simple as people think.I have been involved in soccer admin(club and league level) for more years than I have been on this site and am involved in club level admin at GAA for a good few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭893bet


    No one wants to step up…..but everyone knows what your doing wrong and has a better idea 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I did covid officer, I met some right assholes. Do you want your kid to play football or not, I didn't make the rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭green daries




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭green daries


    So far gone at this stage it's pointless trying to get back on track 👣



  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭anfieldrd


    Is BISS total Value the final figure or is there greening on top of that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Back on topic.


    I have to agree with Bass in regards to this being flagged from a long ways out. I stand to be corrected but did Irish farmers not get their advance each year well ahead of any other country? I do know that the Irish Dept is way ahead of almost every other EU country in regards to getting out as much to as many farmers as early as possible without any holdups.

    It may not seem like this when you are coming up to Christmas and nothing looking likely to arrive until early into the new year.


    Someone said about nothing into their account since whenever but thats farming.Either you plan around that financially or have stuff to sell in the lean times.Here its usually from February when last of hoggets sold until end of June when spring lambs start to come fit. No bills land here apart from the usual in that time as most big stuff (merchants, contractors,tax bill,insurance etc) is paid from August onwards. Been like this for years as thats when harvest cheque landed and bulk of lamb sales.Few bits at Christmas as that was when beet cheque would arrive.

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Had to do similar here after being without money at times,

    Spring is usaully the poverty time after settling end of year accounts.

    I make sure to have one pen of beef cattle ready for January into February, so that money keeps me trickling away in the beginning of the year.

    Also try at year end to put advance money in to any business account that will accept it (esb account and diesel account for example), as I've money from the payments coming in now but none in January onwards.

    Been in the same troubles as posters here, but you will just have to struggle through with over draft and such this time and make changes next year.

    Adapt and overcome as they say.

    And another quote that I love now, having heard it on 'farm flix' is,

    "if you always do what you always done, you'll always get what you always got".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Just reading there the department can't confirm if they'll be able to adhere to the payment dates sent out in the letter last month as IT is under pressure



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    The IT system in Organic was shocking my payments were reguarly 6 months late, over years!! IT system blamed and that was that.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Software breaks and rarely works properly when you plug it in first. That's normal stuff.

    But Dept had 12 months to integrate the new parts into the existing system, test for bugs, estimate time to process applications, etc. That's normal stuff too.

    There is zero incentive thou for them to get it working on time. Or zero accountability for it not working. It doesn't cost them a thought if the payments to farmers are delayed. What are farmers going to do? Complain? Storm Kildare Street? I don't think a cross face from any of the farm reps is going to worry them either.

    There's two failures here: Dept's poor management and farm reps poor representation.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭green daries


    The operator is the problem combined with the department getting taken for a ride



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    Spoke to a senior senior Civil Servant few years ago, friend of brother;s and he had drink on him so who knows what he said true or not. But he said a certain amount of this is deliberate: money that money not spent on Ag might be used for HSE budgets/targets. Essentially a delaying tactic. Came back into my mind when heard of free contrapcetive for all women now on the cards. That then reminded me of this story. So we all become non binary and get a load of free Johnnies. Still rather my payments on time.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Ah now you can't compare like with like. Daughter gets the pill free every month. Dermatologist put her on it for acne, it's something like 7 euro a month, hardly breaking the hse budget. Heard today of one person high up in the hse on a wage of over 900k, that's crazy money. You'd get plenty of pills for that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    no one in the HSE on wage (salary) of €900k. However there are plenty of consultants making that via private practice work on top of a €200k salary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭kerrysoul


    Does anyone know if you have to attend a 1 day training course before you are eligible to get an ACRES payment, or is the 85% advance payment paid to all farmers on the scheme.

    I thought I read something about a compulsory training day which must be completed in year 1 of the scheme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Yes training day must be completed ASAP or you will not get paid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    1 day training course is mandatory. Think it’s €156 you get for attending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I'm afraid you're wrong,

    I'm always annoyed at how little value for money we get from the Civil/public service, I tune into an interview on the radio in the jeep where a guy claimed that if the Public service weren't understaffed they'd do nothing. So I suppose understaffing is another way of kicking ass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I've often said on here that there's no compulsion on the Dept, AG to pay the payments before Dec and to be aware of that.

    One thing I've learnt with the banks (and I've had it as tough as anyone here with them) is that its as difficult to negotiate any figure for overdraft so you might as well add on 20%+ on your needs and have comfort. I 've walked out of a bank over this only to have the phone ringing here when I got home to ask me back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,981 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    In general it's not the top guys in large organisations like the HSE are the problem. Most can walk out the door and command it or more elsewhere.

    At present the CEO of the HSE has imposed an employment embargo on administrative managers. They increased by 33% during COVID. The unions are starting industrial action.

    Nobody is going to lose there job but it will limit promotion for a few years and workers will have to move areas of responsibility to manage the system.

    It's the same with the Gardai commissioner and the need to revert to the ore COVID roster. Similar with the changes planned to the leaving certificate by the department of education

    At a top level management in the public service is a hard earn.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin



    salary scales attached. It’s the private practice that allows the consultants to earn such vast amounts and lazy reporting to say that their salary was €1m.

    Private practice is allowed under the contract negotiated in 2008 and allows consultants to do private work on HSE premises- and boy do they cream it…..hence the report of €1m

    new consultant contract in situ since march this year prohibits private work on HSE premises. New contract will see a salary in region of €300k but it’s not mandatory for existing consultants to change over. - only mandatory for new entrants. About 10% of perm consultants have changed to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    There's no public servant worth €1m and only the public service would pay it without any performance requirement.

    It's sad that so much of our tax money goes on poor performance and poor management from the public service

    Any one earning millions in the private sector are usually worth it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Yes. All of the high ranking bank staff , and the higher echelons in the related construction sector that were on annual salaries of over a million before the crash were definitely worth it .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Circa €200k would be from the public purse and balance is private work that the consultant (doctor) take on themselves outside of their contract hours. Whilst a lot of them do this in local private hospitals, many do it on the site of the hospital they are employed in.

    As said above, this is entirely privately paid by people that chose to go private and 2008 consultant contract allows for them to work privately but use the premises and resources of public hospitals.

    the new consultant contract from 8 march this year does not allow for private work on hospital site but they can still apply to their employer for permission to work privately off site.

    and btw I’m not disagreeing with you for a second or saying that is right But hence why the consultant group are a very powerful and difficult group to manage within the health service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭amacca


    I was listening to a researcher recently discussing top ranking CEOs and how little effect removing them would have on hhe performance of their respective organisations....I wish I could remember more of the interview


    I've always suspected very few of them were worth the stratospheric renumeration and probably had to be borderline sociopaths with trains of human suffering and misery left in their wake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    If you ever find that id be interested in hearing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭arctictree


    What other employer would allow you to do private work on their premises?! I assume the hospitals at least charge them for the use of equipment etc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    I've a bad feeling that payments are going to be delayed even further this year. Nothing showing up on any of the schemes yet. You would usually see them approved or a payment date by now. Today week is the 17th, it will be interesting to see if anyone gets anything next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Left with a lump sump at year end and then taxed on that profit no doubt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,859 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Spent a good bit of today in casualty. Daughter very sick , as usual if you need treatment quickly you'll get it. Someone there since 4pm yesterday. Crazy busy. Assholes complaining.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Just hope your daughter is ok. Everything is irrelevant when in that situation.

    the problem with the health service is getting pass the initial bottleneck of A&E. once people get admitted, the treatment is excellent.



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