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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,424 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There's a few names very important here. Putin is the mouthpiece. But these are the fanatics who drive what orders come from the Kremlin.

    These are : Nikolai Patrushev

    Sergei Naryshkin

    Alexander Bortnikov

    Sergei Shoigu

     Bortnikov and Patrushev’s sons have become powerful Russian officials. Dmitry Patrushev is Russia’s minister for agriculture and Denis Bortnikov is the deputy president and chairman of the state-run VTB Bank’s management board.

    Mafias.

    Edit: if you wanted change in Russia. Target those names above and maybe leave the husk of Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But on that there's literally only a handful of companies who actually produce shells one particular company in Norway didn't receive any orders from the Norwegian military for something like 10 years,I don't know how many times we've had people on here telling us the whole of western military industry has massively ramped up production because we were on a war footing,and yet we have shortages across the board,

    Wishful thinking or too much time on social media



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    McCarthy has been booted from his role as speaker of the house in the US ,

    This could be trouble



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I wonder though, how many of them have private army's?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,424 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Is there even a public army now?

    It's been the FSB's/Putin's operandi to have these private armies around the world to influence power on the ground and power on the Internet.

    How these cancers will be eliminated is another thing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,424 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There's 27 active Private Military Companies operating from Russia.

    Even the Russian Orthodox Church finances it's own PMC.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Could be massive especially if the next speaker is more a Trump supporter. It just shows how much power they are wielding there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Considering the time it took to elect McCarthy in the first place, will some in the GOP in Congress be happy for no speaker to be elected at all?

    Will they change their minds when some Republicans support a Democratic speaker nomination?

    Or are they just looking to fashion a permanent vacancy in the post (if that is possible)?


    Edit:maybe I was getting off topic as the question should be how this could affect the war in Ukraine..



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, if the head of the is cut off, then there's a good chance that there will be a war of succession, and many of the PMO owners will die, or otherwise be put out of action. Case of survival of the fittest. I'm not sure which of them (Girkin?) said that reason Kadyrov and Prigozhin were both pulling their army's out of Ukraine to preserve them for the internal war that was coming. And they were not the only ones with an eye on the future either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Total war as during WW2, such as carried out by Britain & the USA as well as the Soviet Union, means everyone has a part to play in defending the nation, including women, from working in military factories to the front line. There's always engineering & support duties, planing & logistics, transport, repair & maintenance to support large numbers of front line soldiers in combat.

    Hitler didn't believe in mobilising women for war as the Allies did, they didn't even work in factories in large numbers, women were supposed to raise their families. Instead the Nazi's used mostly inefficient, underfed, largely unqualified prisoners to supplement their war factories.

    Is Putin going to start full scale mobilisation & conscription for the army, forcing civilians into arms manufacturing factories as Stalin did? That's his only option to win, but does Russia even have the resources & capability to increase military equipment manufacturing to a total war scale?

    Will the more affluent population in Russia's western regions & cities even follow Putins demands if they were implemented?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Try reading the link I provided.

    "As of late 2022, following Ukraine's Kharkiv and Kherson counteroffensives, the Bakhmut–Soledar front became an important focus of the war, being one of the few front lines where Russia remained on the offensive.[37] Attacks on the city intensified in November 2022, as assaulting Russian forces were reinforced by units redeployed from the Kherson front, together with newly mobilized recruits.[38][39]"

    If you don't like Wikipedia try The ISW.

    "Wagner mercenaries nevertheless intensified their offensives on Bakhmut and fully committed to the Battle for Bakhmut in Fall 2022 likely to achieve informational and political rather than operational objectives."

    The facts are clear, there was no "winter pause" in the battle for Bakhmut. If it makes you feel better to keep claiming there was, go ahead by all means, but I for one won't be wasting my time replying to any such nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    The ONLY, ONLY , ONLY way for UKr to survive is to join NATO. It is the only entity that Russia/ Putin understands - and his successors. And that is not even stone cast guaranteed bur it’s by far the best available option.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    When you think about it - and given how Russian operates , it’s attitude towards agreements , eliminating opposition, interfering in soverign states, concentration of power amongst gov supported elites/oligarchs, jailing on trumped up charges, take on democracy, etc, etc, etc - it makes for a perfect strategy to have private armies like Wagner especially operating overseas as they can become self financing , increase the level of ‘friendliness’ and ‘cooperation’ And because their owners are in Putins pocket he can direct them at his will



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    1. We do have shortages of what Ukraine need i.e shells

    2. Production has increased

    3. The increase in production does not meet the demand

    4. There is no technological impediment to production and there are available short term funds

    5. Companies will not increase long term capacity for short term goals

    What this means in essence is that Lockheed Martin is doubling GMLRS production with a 4.8bn dollar investment because they know the demand will still be there when the contract ends:

    4.8bn dollars could buy several million rounds of dumb shells. But the companies might invest several billion in new facilities only for the orders to dry up after Ukraine.

    Put another way, as matters stand a 25k gmlrs rocket seems like better value than 50 unguided shells.

    Or put another way, the shortage of unguided shells does not mean NATO isnt producing enough munitions. Its just that typeof munition that is short. Maybe nato governments should offer large multi year contracts for them but thats not really what they want



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    i do not know a lot about the ‘innards’ of US politics. But the 8 that voted against Mc Carty want some in that, IMO, will not give a red cent to UKr and to fund other things that The Demos want to move on. So was congress better off voting against the motion and leave Mc Carty in. As the saying goes ‘ you are better off with the devil you know than with the devil you do not know’ maybe the Demos know something that I do not know. If it took 15 voting attempts to elect Mc Carty the last time - and he just nearly got over the line- what is it going to be like this time and how long will it take?

    . Is there a possibility that 5 of the Republicans would support a Demo canditate?

    Some side needs to practice a bit of pragmatism now and again,. The above is not good for the US and the world in general and Putin is. Laughing all the way to the proverbial bank

    i wonder are there a few of the Republicans in Putins ‘ideological’ pocket and will try and do as much damage as possible - the type of damage that suits Putin down to the ground



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    In the context of the mud that will exist when the rains come, rivers in full Spain, etc, I do not think it is correct to compare the war in / around Bakhmut and the war being carried out , Eg, in the south in an offensive going from small town/village and through countryside/fields/dirty tracks, streams, etc. Because would the underlying conditions , re moving tracked /wheeled vehicles, be very different. ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    That digression was more about militaries having to stop in winter, which just isn't true today.

    The mud season usually only lasts a few weeks and is at its worst in spring, snow melt and a frozen layer underground, combined with spring rain results in a very waterloged upper layer, the soils of northern and central ukraine are the most susceptible to this, the south less so.

    In autumn the issue is significantly less, because it's the amount of rain that fell over the summer combined with autumn rains and local temperature (evaporation) that determine it. A dry summer (like the last) and higher temps (predicted) could mean a quite insubstantial "mud season" in southern Ukraine. Even so it only lasts a few weeks and then its just regular old winter weather (like Bakhmut), which any well equipped modern force should be able to deal with.

    Ukraine continuing to advance with small infantry forces instead of heavy armour should also make any mud less of an issue.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The U.S. looks to be doomed to Stormont style dysfunction and inability to find compromises. Its enemies are going to absolutely play this for all it’s worth. It’s domestically driven but there is huge opportunity for Russia and others to interfere because the US political environment just keeps getting more and more screwed up.

    They’re lost in manufactured culture wars and the quality of their political reps is just though the floor. It’s unlikely to get better anytime soon and could just tumble into even worse instability and dysfunction. The days of great statesmanship in the US seem to have just melted away.

    The commentary is also so navel gazing it does even see the chaotic weakness this is projecting. All they care about is whatever the next crazy fringe conspiracy theory topic is, or slamming the other side, just because.

    It has huge implications for Ukraine and its undermining NATO’s credibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And these Maga idiots want Ukraine supports stopped or drastically cut this could drag on for months more important longer the the 40+ days until the next agreement or government shutdown

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They are also falling straight into lines of Russian propaganda and meddling and can’t even see it, or don’t care.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They can see it ,but they don't care they see themselves as patriots who only want to see America first and America for Americans only, if the US didn't start the war it's not their business and they are not under any threat

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    "Peace talks" is being used like some magical incantation that will miraculously fix things. Not that simple.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,318 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    "Peace talks" is just a smokescreen to affect moral superiority over those you can decry as hawks, warmongers or so on. It's not a remotely credible, adult argument in the context of events. And as always, amounts to robbing Ukraine of its own agency, destiny and choice to defend itself. Next hop on the logical fallacy hopscotch is to take the "you can't win, why try?" argument that I've seen before when people plead for "peace"



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Basically, when the winter / rains come in any Country, the roads are the only means of travel. In the hot summer sun, the whole countryside hardens up, and basically is the same as the road when it comes to travel. So makes no difference between Bakhmut or any where else in Ukraine, if its turned into mud, then its no-go. Bord na Mona used to have heavy tracked machinery travelling across the bogs, but the tracks would have been twice the width of the standard ones. How that would work with a 60+ ton tank is another story though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Peace talks with an invader who has no interest in rolling back and will use its conquests as a resource to conquer more and is never shy about saying this.

    I think the west has accepted they have reduced Russia as a threat for the next decade and would accept an armistice similar to NK.

    Disappointed the UAF offensive didn't produce more but Russia through everything at their defense and didn't collapse as expected despite an attempted coup.

    So much blood spilt for nothing an 18 month united front was always a challenge unfortunately it may start to fracture democracy freedoms are no match for dictatorships.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Another way of looking at things is if after this winter Ukraine has not been dislodged from the gains it has made, hasn't been crippled energy-wise the way it was last year, and Russia showing itself still vulnerable to targeted sabotage/ long range strikes of key targets, you would think that the Russians behind the front lines will be very very nervous of what a reinvigorated, re-supplied Ukraine (having learned lessons from this summer's counter offensive) will unleash on the south.

    Ukraine is undoubtedly in a much, much stronger position now than it was 12 months ago. The onus is really on Russia now to expose itself and try to take back territory, which may well play favourably into Ukraine's hands. What's the alternative? Spend huge resources putting defensive structures in place under fire that a) Ukraine may simply bypass or b) Ukraine has had a year to figure out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    FIFA looking like they will relax rules stopping Russia from part in football tournaments starting with the U17s Eufa last week and FIFA this week




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭rogber


    Slow drip rehabilitation of Russia, but from FIFA you would expect no better, utterly corrupt organisation whose sole interest is money



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Hopefully there is enough solidarity and everyone else will just refuse to play against any Russian teams.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    National Football Associations growing a pair of balls and finding a moral compass?? I'll believe it when I see it.



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