"Green" policies are destroying this country

You pay the full amount that you are charged, but that is not the full amount possible as Dublin City Council reduced it for everyone.

don't how anyone would think giving more money to a council would improve a service.

it's just another publicly funded black hole with very little accountability for how our money is spent.

We're one of the richest countries in the world. We can spare a few bob for brushes and bins. Hell, half the villages around the country have lads on "FAS schemes" keeping streets cleaned. You're trying to tell me that the nations capital, the economic powerhouse of the state, the biggest urban centre in the country can't clean the streets unless the LPT is raised?

There's been some crazy stuff posted in this thread but this one is off the charts

Very difficult to sustain the argument that ordinary people have to give up their cars, holidays, etc in order to save humanity when the likes of FIFA stick up the 2 fingers in such a manner

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67010609

Problem is @blanch152 is that there are constant stealth taxes introduced for a pittance initially and then once the habit of paying them sets in, they get vastly inflated. It's high time all the C U Next Tuesdays looking for more tax on this and more tax on that were told to feck off in the most loudest and brash fashion and actually spend the ~€60 billion in taxes collected properly and cut out the blatant waste thats going on.

I honestly despair at those who hold the opinion that the Irish public are one giant collective cow's udder there purely for the milking. Enough is enough. In Dublin today on the north circular road there was a Dublin City Council sign for Kellie Harrington who is pictured and quoted "I took my first boxing class in this area". Now this sign probably cost a few grand knowing the way public servants spend and it hanging on a fairly dirty street with weeds all along the kerbs.

No problem with a sign up for Kellie and obviously trying to attract more youngsters to follow in her footsteps (rightly so) - but why are DCC sponsoring that sign, it should be paid for from the budgets of the Boxing Association or the Irish Sports Council, not DCC. Often local councils are so far gone down the road of "have to be seen to be promoting the latest PC thing" that they loose focus on what they are supposed to do. Weed, clean and maintain streets is one of their core jobs!

Exactly, the Tidy Towns became popular in the 80s during the recession. People had more spare time, severe curtailment of street cleaning was a result of Govt spending cutbacks and this gave rise to these groups to form. However, when the recession ended the cutbacks were never restored and the Govt left it to the well established Tidy Towns groups - assisted by FAS workers to do the donkey work.

Great works were done in many parts of the country and still are - however I see it slipping. The greenification of the Tidy Towns means keeping a place clean and tidy are no longer good enough. Now the Tidy Towns groups are around doing green energy surveys, recycling projects, and so much other fluff that less and less people are bothered any more. Going are the days when the locals would meet up few times a month to sweep and pick litter or maybe a once-off project like painting a derelict building and leave it at that.

Nope, like everything good - it has to be 'modernised'.

clean up happens pretty regularly along the Grand Canal in Dublin. Lots of volunteers.

Putting that sequestered Dublin LPT to good use👍

I wonder how this will effect the jet set lifestyle of those with private jets and yachts? As usual, as it has always been the case, lifestyle restrictions only apply to the common man/person/family

That reads like a doomsday scenario type thing. Very low on detail and the carbon passports is a "may happen". I doubt it's even possible within the EU anyway without changing the "Freedom of Movement" pillar of the whole EU.

Yes, you are correct, we are one of the richest countries in the world, but that money is in your pockets and other people's pockets. The government has to collect it in order to spend it on cleaning the streets. Hence the need to collect the full amount of LPT.

The craziest thing in this thread is that somehow the council can pay for services with a magic money tree.

The council had absolutely no problem funding a brand new depot, with every mod con you could convince of, up in Ballymun. Don't tell me there's no money for street sweeping.

Yes, things like health, education, justice and social welfare will always take priority over cleaning the streets. So other ways to raise revenue need to be found.

Surely to jaysus Street cleaning, be it sweeping, weeding or whatever should be a core part of the services delivered by the Council and budgeted for as normal. Street cleaning is not some sort of extra service like hanging flags out of trees and therefore there should be always money allocated to this. Ridiculous argument to say that we need to pay more tax for what should be a core service. Typical of the grab all supporters of the FFG.

Here is the thing I wouldn't have a problem paying for water, the problem I had and I am sure most others had is the way it was being implemented and the way the government of the time handled it. It was a farce. Anyways I have no problem paying tax but I do have a problem paying it and the services are not being delivered and all we here is that we need to pay more tax and still the basic services are not being delivered like street cleaning. As I said that is a core service and should always be part of budgeting and then if as I said they want to hang flags from trees or other such extra's then they can look for extra funding.