General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Seems like a lot of people read a headline, and didn't listen to the full segment.

Klopp said (and I'm paraphrasing in this bit) if he was not 'involved in the game, and that sort of situation happened in a neutral game, as a fan of football he would look for a replay because of the unprecedented nature' where the goal was awarded, but not given on the scoreline. It was not a subjective or technology error and thus not all wrong decisions should be replayed. He specifically made the point to say he was not speaking on behalf of Liverpool in that thinking.

Klopp also said that the game can't be replayed because it opens the floodgates on wrong (subjective) decisions.

Still no need to mention it, but I think there were other reasons behind it really. What they are doing in keeping the attention on the ****-show that the PGMOL have turned into since Webb took over. Liverpool are sick of a lot of weird occurrences in their games and want them taking out of the game. And btw when Webb was head of the refereeing of the US soccer, he ordered a replay of the game because of a referee cock-up with awarding/not-awarding a legitimate goal also.

Liverpool have not asked for a replay, and either did their manager and I don't think they should/will either.

Do you not understand the quote? Liverpool are not looking for a replay, Jurgen Klopp, a football person, is looking for a replay.

Sure, as a football person, he has nothing to do with Liverpool, just like all the other football people who are looking for a replay (list is available on the back of a postage stamp).

You're claiming that Liverpool are making an official appeal now. Where is the actual proof in this, or is another example of you making up claims about Liverpool?

You previously claimed a few days ago, with no proof, that Liverpool owner's demanded a game to be replayed in the US. Which was also proven to be incorrect and then you tried to make up some story about a lad in the Sky Sports studio saying it instead.

Just stop making up lies.

Klopp knows what he’s doing, guarantee Liverpool will get every 50:50 call for the rest of the season, VAR official will be petrified to go against them.

he can't just say the words PGMOL though, as they will target him (again) with fines and suspensions. He said as much on Saturday.

He has to say something, without saying certain things. As he clearly feels thinks are going against him now the last while. There's been a couple of 'extra-ordinary' incidents since Webb has come in as the boss.

Dry your eyes mate. Who are you poirot?

Sky Sports have a lot to answer for here.

They spent the morning (someone told me, I was working) saying that TAA and Klopp would be giving a live press conference (incidentally, about a tournament Sky don't cover, so they don't care really). They kept using words like "explosive" and then made sure that they had a reporter in to steer the conversation if it didn't go their way.

Trent buried it quickly enough, but they poked the bear with Jurgen.

Now, my friend has told me(!) its down as BREAKING NEWS on that strap/band that goes along the bottom of the screen. "Jurgen wants replay".

You've left out an awful lot of what he said, to the extent that you're completely changing what my post is. You've actually ignored all of the quotes associated with my post. I think you should go back and listen to the full interview, instead of jumping on headlines. Do better.

Klopp: “I can say immediately, and probably some people don’t want me to say it, not as a manager of Liverpool so much, more as a football person, I think the only outcome should be a replay.

“I think the situation is that unprecedented that, it didn’t happen before, I’m 56 years old and since 50 years in football and I am absolutely used to, don’t always deal well with it, but I’m used to wrong decisions, difficult decisions. "Something like this never happened, so that is why I think a replay is the right thing to do,"

“The argument against that, will probably be if we open that gate, then everybody will ask for it.

"As a football person, I think the only outcome should be a replay but it will probably not happen."

"These things should not happen. Other mistakes should not happen. Find a solution to deal with it."

"If it would happen again, I think a replay would be the right thing to do or the ref brings both coaches together and says OK let's sort it."

Jones' red was the same as Casemiro's - both unlucky, actually playing a football, but getting caught out because its a round object.

Letter of the law - they are not getting changed.

I don't know why he went there tbh. unless he was getting at how they used VAR in the match. Unsure.

Stop talking sense. Do we even know if it was Jurgen Klopp who was saying it and not a hypothetical man in disguise?

Tomorrow night.

And yes, all coaches want a siege mentality. Pep does it all the time, for instance. Ferguson did it. Mourinho, obviously. they use things to create a certain mentality. nothing new.

We should all remember that this wasn't Klopp demanding a replay. As I've said, I wouldn't have even mentioned the word, because it's pointless and gets everyone jumping on it. He just said he'd like to see one. He shouldn't have said it, but it is not the same.

So let's not pretend that Klopp was in a press conference ranting and raving, as I know many are imagining.

Yes, I skipped a day by accident. i think you hit the nail on the head. Shouldn’t have said it. Had a reason for saying it. Whether it works or not is to be seen. But you are completely right, he wasn’t having a Kevin keegan ‘I’d love it ‘ moment. He did say it though, and have to expect laughter from opposition fans. Probably not to the same extent as seen though.

"Don't minimise what he said"

In other words...

"Let us make as big a deal out of this as we possibly can, because if we can make a massive deal out of this, even more than has been already, then it might have everyone laugh at Liverpool, because that's how I get my kicks..."

Of course not everyone is, and indeed most people are rational reasonable folks, but it's quite easy to see the few people who do have an extra bit of revelry in the subject through the sheer posting volume and content on the topic (and their own stated admissions of how much they're enjoying this...)

It was strong, but clear language. Again as I said before, I have zero issue with that statement, and to be honest using established industry terms is actually part of the solution in this case.

Like, I think using terms like escalate/resolve - being the literal industry standard terms for fixing problems - is far better than using "less wanky" more casual terms. Casual language is how we got into this mess. This isn't an emotive plea or something, it's a request for review and validation of a technical process.

As for the reference of sporting integrity, well, of course an error where officials know the correct outcome, but knowingly continue with the wrong outcome falls under the category - hence such a need for reform.

As for your second post - so in contrast to earlier saying; "don't minimise what he said", you're saying "don't minimise the bits I want to focus on, but ignore the other bits that were said to intentionally minimise the bits i want to focus on?". Klopp regularly gives his personal opinions on everything from racism to Brexit during press conferences. he always caveats that with it being his own opinion and not speaking on the club. He did the same in this case, literally stating it clearly so there could be no confusion. I don't particularly have a problem with him thinking in an ideal world the fairest thing is a do-over, while recognising it could never happen in reality. I don't exactly agree with it, but I don't have an issue with the opinion, stated as it was. I definitely don't want any official request for one.

That's fair enough - I wouldn't really agree with either yourself or Klopp on it I suppose. I don't think it's an entirely ridiculous personal opinion, but it definitely wouldn't be my opinion, and I don't think it's actually the right outcome.