General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

No, to win an appeal you have to show the action taken was wrong. The broader context is irrelevant. They appealed a specific decision and had that appeal of that specific decision dismissed. If you rob a hundred quid off someone who only has a hundred quid, it impacts them far more than if you rob a hundred quid off someone who is a billionaire. But the action is the same, and will be judged the same way.

And again, even beyond dismissing the appeal, they did not punish or sanction the referee who made the decision, or the VAR official who recommended it.

Because it's literally how all law works. It's the entire basis behind that wee statue you see in courthouses with the blindfold and scales. It's basic common sense here.

Can you perhaps point towards where specific decisions being appealed are not actually judged on those specific decisions, but rather how big the impact is of those decisions? Like, by your rationale, no appeal will ever be won unless it changes the end result, regardless how right or wrong it is.

Well, mine is rooted in all established law. Yours is rooted in fantasy.

I don't know how better to explain that when you appeal a decision, that appeal is about that decision. If that appeal is dismissed, it is because that decision was judged to be ok.

And again, if there were a problem we'd have seen the ref and VAR official punished. They weren't.

We're going around in mad deranged circles here. It's a precedent because a different version of the same situation playing out. A goal decision was incorrectly judged, just like in the Liverpool game. It was discovered to have been an error after play had resumed, just like in the Liverpool game. But there, the VAR and ref stepped in and fixed the error. There was a specific appeal against that specific decision, which was dismissed. And no ref or VAR was ever sanctioned or punished for their decision. Ergo, it is reasonable to suspect that had similar actions unfolded similarly, we may have had similar outcomes.

That's as far as I can go on this before I lose my mind I think 😅

If FIFA decided the referee was correct to call back the game and award the goal in the French game outside of the rules, can you explain why they haven't changed the rules to make it the correct course of action?

Would it be because they still think it was the wrong course of action?

So many clubs taking pish out of then now even European clubs.

Well they didn’t change it either.

Did Wolves get any dodgy decisions?

Can we expect Tottenham to get screwed rather than Liverpool get good decisions then by this logic?

Is Southgate trying to get sacked!?

How can he in all seriousness continue to pick Maguire and Henderson? It's a complete joke!

Ref said it was offside

Loyalty? They're effectively already qualified, I assume he'll phase Henderson out before the tournament. Maguire he seems to trust but if he continues sitting on United's bench he'll eventually lose his place (in the starting 11 at least).

We let the kids ref the game when they are starting out up to U10, think it might be worth a try this weekend in the PL, would be entertaining if nothing else. They could not review the first yellow card where the spurs player's foot made contact with Jota's knee though obviously we all know Jota was using his knee to foul that player.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38573537/panel-says-diogo-jota-red-card-liverpool-spurs-was-incorrect

I agree though the great thing about the current standard of referees is the uncertainty of what they will do.

Each referee should be reviewed and rated by an independent person/body of people after each match; there should be an ability for those refs in lower leagues to move up whilst those in the PL if they maintain a really low level can be moved down a league.

I could never understand why most of the refs just stay in the PL every year regardless of how good they are at their job.

The Henderson one is nuts in any competitive sense alright, I can kinda understand the Maguire one though, particularly with the number of defensive injuries at Utd that will likely see him back in the frame getting game time.

Though with Hendo it might be case of bringing him back to consciously give him a last game at Wembley before he's phased out. They've a friendly against Australia in this window, probably a decent opportunity to give him his goodbye. He served them well over the years, so could see Southgate repaying that with a swansong.

You have more faith in PL official's ability than I do so.

None of the ref's will want to be subject to a post match analysis on their incorrect decision against Liverpool in the wake of this one. Even subconsciously it's going to be there. They will be second guessing calls - I haven't seen anything from any ref in the PL for years to think they will handle this pressure/situation well.

This isn't something against Liverpool either - Klopp is paid to win matches for them. He's dead right to try every trick he can. In an ideal world we would have a system / officials in place that could handle the pressure but these can't.