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Is the UK now giving off strong Third World vibes?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    your link was to a stat that was over 20 years old.

    your claim is bogus and has been for years.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    I didn’t claim that though. The separation of infrastructure and train operators is very much an eu directive. One that the RMT used as a reason why the UK should leave the eu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not 20 years old. The survey I quoted was from 2013.


    Here is one from 2020:

    "According to the OECD Survey of Adult Skills, about 18% of Irish people aged 16 to 65 are at or below level one on the five-level literacy scale."

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-adults-literacy-5156484-Jul2020/

    So not that different. Not great, is it, after all the money we spend on education?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    and it was a stupid reason seeing as it was britain's choice to go way further then simply separating the infrastructure from operations, which really only amounts to them having to have separate accounts and would have had no effect on day to day operations.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    that's the same 20 year old stat you posted.

    so your claim is bogus.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It actually says PIAAC survey 2012, so is only 11 years old. If you can find a more recent survey on literacy in Ireland, feel free to post it.


    Now is 2023 minus 2012 your 20 years? Where do you get 20 years from?


    You remind me of that SF TD from Donegal, the lad who dropped out from Letterkenny I.T., and who wishes to become the next Minister for Finance in a new government....heard him making mistakes like that more than once.



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I wasn't aware Tralee even had a food bank.

    In my town in the UK there were several, including churches giving food away.

    Since I left inflation has soared and strikes are getting back to the "sick man of europe" level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭yagan


    While I was in north England I could often see how libraries were turned into food banks.

    And the libraries that still were open seemed to have a lot of their time taken up with people struggling with the profit driven company that the government offloaded welfare entitlements to. Profit was determined by how many entitlements they could block, so of course they immediately started making claimants life hell.

    I don't have a link but the vast majority of denied claims are later overturned in court. Such a waste of public time and money to undo the damage of privitisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I was talking figuratively about how we learn to ignore problems locally, we learn to work around them to the extent we no longer perceive them to be there. But when we travel abroad we notice these things.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I didn't ignore problems in the UK. It was impossible to.

    The rise in the homeless, the increasingly dysfunctional people who used drugs, presumably as a means of escape. The boarding up of shops wasn't unusual in the boom & bust UK, but when I left it was long term cumulative and from what I see on the internet is now worse than the deepest "bust" period.


    I went to Liverpool to photograph some of the dereliction in Maggies ere, I could get far worse photos in the city that I was born in and spent my life there.

    I think it summed the place up one Sunday about five years back. We were drinking in my town center pub and watching a group sorting through the donations left outside a charity shop.

    That was in the days before Brexit sank in.

    The only places boarded up in Tralee are Argos and Iceland,

    I have been coming here all my life incidentally and the place is showing no sign whatsoever of any form of decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    "I wasn't aware Tralee even had a food bank."

    Tralee Foodshare.

    https://www.kerryppn.ie/communities/foodshare-kerry/

    "We rescue quality surplus food from supermarkets and food producers and make it available to organisations who know how best to redistribute it to those in need. The Objective : To support people living in food poverty in the North Kerry Area by linking food suppliers who have waste food with clients who require food."

    Also:

    The Tralee soup kitchen.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tralee-soup-kitchen-feeds-over-100-people-in-a-day-1.2901810

    "The Tralee Soup Kitchen was set up in 2012 to provide a free three course meal for those in need in our community. The money raise will go directly back into The Tralee Soup Kitchen so we can continue to provide this service. In donating to The Tralee Soup Kitchen you are helping those in need to avail of a meal they go without. We are so grateful for all the support we get."

    Fair play to these groups helping those in need in that town.

    As a percentage more families avail of food banks in Ireland than in Britain.

    Not saying the UK is a utopia. It is not. But we need to be careful not to use their problems to deflect from our own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭yagan


    Have you a non charity link to your last claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,202 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'd be sceptical of that last stat. There are definitely people in Ireland living in total poverty and having to avail of food banks, but the situation with deprived areas in Britain seems considerably worse according to numerous anecdotal reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I can understand a degree of scepticism. We are after all, told we're doing very well for ourselves by the media.

    I'm also sceptical of anecdotal stories but if you look at the fact that someone, unprompted, posted that they were unaware of charitable food distribution organizations in their own town when in fact there were several. Does this not back up the notion that we tend, in this country, to overlook our own problems while being critical of those in other countries.

    Perhaps if we look at literacy. Ireland is about 8 places below England in our literacy rate. Given that literacy is very important in getting out of poverty, might this explain the greater use of food banks in Ireland vs the UK?

    https://www.oecd.org/skills/piaac/publications/countryspecificmaterial/



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I am in no position to argue as I live outside Tralee but I knew people in the UK who used food banks as a replacement for benefits.

    I got the impression that the safety net worked here, unlike the UK.

    The food banks certainly are higher profile in what was my UK city. This is hardly surprising as the unemployed are competing with migrants on the Tory incite hate list. The food bank is the resort of those who have had benefits stopped for often petty reasons and seem only designed to catch people out.

    With all due respect the foodshare project seems as much to do with stopping waste as helping the poor, as for the food banks and soup kitchen it seems a trifle odd that all I can find is a reference to a Facebook site that states that it's open Saturdays.

    So, assuming I am hungry now, I have my internet connection and am in Tralee. Where do I find this free food?

    I know that I can log a request to Lidl incidentally, but I assume that takes days. When I asked on behalf of my ducks who have a hankering for overripe bananas, I was told I needed a smartphone program to request surplus food. Now I am self sufficient in funds and food, I even give it away myself being a small scale producer, but certainly don't have the carefree extravagance of a smartphone to fork out for.

    Funny kind of charity is it not?





  • The U.K. historically was in a better position than we were and had broader social supports. Those have been stripped to the bone by the Tories over the last decade or more and the consequences of it are being felt.

    Ireland has largely been expanding social supports over the same period, so the gap is signifiant and growing.

    Neither country is anything like Scandinavia or even France in terms of scope of social supports, but their ideologies are going in opposite directions at the moment.

    The issue is the Tories and the huge distortion created by first past the post, simple majority elections. Westminster isn’t very proportional.

    The issues in Ireland at present are largely down to extreme housing costs and the scale of infrastructure not being adequate for the population. The issues in the U.K. are more self inflicted by political ideologies. They’re getting policies that are reflective of a technical majority but not the majority of the public opinion. That’s why you always find a series of governments of one party, particularly the Tories will end in uproar and riots. A series of Labour governments tends to end up in a different type of uproar. The lack of proportionality means there’s little balance in policy making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    @Slightly Kwackers,

    It was you, however, that brought up the town of Tralee which you did not think had charitable food distribution. The town had not been mentioned on this thread before that. You brought it up specifically to say that you were not aware that there were any food banks there. To then say later when proved wrong that you can't comment on Tralee because you live outside the town is perhaps a bit rich.

    It is true also that Foodshare gets its food from unsold stock from business but I think this is true of many charitable food distribution organizations.

    According to the article, 20,000 in Kerry are in food poverty. Scaled up to the whole country that is 643,367 people in food poverty which is quite a lot, about 13% of the population.

    In the UK, food poverty stands at about 7% see link below, about half the Ireland rate.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9209/

    This further backs up the notion that there's greater food poverty and use of food banks in Ireland than the UK.

    The question then is why? And I think one factor might be the lower level of literacy in this country. If you have a low level of literacy it is harder to get yourself out of poverty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,622 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The UK is also doing the wrong thing in abandoning HS2 as it would be a key infrastructure project. And then the big problem in the UK is Brexit and the current labour relations unrest, strikes in the NHS or the train service. The EU would be the biggest trading partner the UK has or had. So you can guess what's going to happen if you run a business and offend your biggest client? And the Tories want to be the political party which represents business? It's more that the Tories are the party representing self inflicted isolationism.

    The problem I see in Ireland is that nothing or few things ever get done or built, when it comes to infrastructure. The docks or so called silicon docks as they like to be marketed and seen, are basically not much, compared what places in England, like Liverpool are like.

    High rise buildings with contemporary and nice design often get rejected in Dublin just for being too high, or even if approved are not built. And then there is the lack of residential housing and excessively high rents, - all reasons, why Dublin was sadly not the prime alternative business location to Brexit UK or Brexit London. And Dublin as well as Ireland would have been the top destination, English speaking and a general welcoming business climate and good relations with the US.

    Just look how much high rise architecture has been built recently in Liverpool or in Manchester? No crisis there, one would think, Brexit? Labour shortage? High interest rates? all no excuses, so it seems. If these cities were Dublin there would be many reasons to reject those buildings right from the beginning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    it was a 2012 repost of an over 20 year old stat that has not been the case for years.

    so yes, your claim is still bogus.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You are still wrong, very wrong, Pearse. According to the nala.ie , and I quote from the homepage of the NATIONAL ADULT LITERACY AGENCY, :" the Central Statistic Office (CSO) assessed 6,000 people aged 16 – 65 in Ireland. The survey was done in 2012 and the results were announced in 2013."

    These are the latest statistics available. Blame the Central Statistics Office and the National Adult Literacy Agency if they do not have more up to date statistics.

    According to them, and I quote from the top of their homepage:

    "The OECD Adult Skills Survey shows that 17.9% or about 1 in 6, Irish adults are at or below level 1 on a five level literacy scale. At this level a person may be unable to understand basic written information.

    25% or 1 in 4 Irish adults score at or below level 1 for numeracy. At this level a person may struggle with doing simple math calculations. 42% of Irish adults score at or below level 1 on using technology to solve problems and accomplish tasks."

    https://www.nala.ie/literacy-and-numeracy-in-ireland/



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers



    I go into Tralee weekly, which is about the same as I did in my town center in England. In England there were a number of food banks, one clearly indicated when I walked past, the others I was aware of as an acquaintance found them indispensable when his benefits were stopped.

    Were I back in my home town and Googled the town and "food bank" the returns are obvious and I would have a clear choice of where to go.

    Try it, Google "Burslem" and "food bank", then try the same for Tralee.

    Do you not think the reason I am not aware of the charitable food distribution is because it is pretty insignificant?

    What definition of "food poverty" are you using? Are you applying the same definition to the two countries? Do you have a source?

    You didn't enlighten me as to where in Tralee the services of a food bank are available and when. Surely having so many people in "food poverty" would suggest an accessible food bank would be needed somewhere in town on a daily basis?


    I will have to accept what you say regarding literacy, but my experience and a quick Google suggests no significant difference.

    I would think a country where they are not gullible enough to believe the EU only want straight bananas and they don't have to escort fans out of football matches using police would win hands down educationally though, regardless of ability to communicate via the written word. Well the Brits have Brexit do they not? It say's quite a lot about the educational system there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭yagan


    If Britain has better literacy skills then why did they swallow all the brexit promises?

    Perhaps there's a deficit in rational thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    So Ireland was 17.9% at or below Level 1, while England was 17.8%. Wow, that's an amazing difference!!





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭yagan


    And that's a decade old research.

    Demographics will have seen a gap open up since then. I commonly meet older people over seventy who struggle with anything beyond a tabloid, whereas that's the norm in England.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Maybe they are just at university instead.  The UK has four Universities which make it into the global top 10, with a further four in the global top 50.

    By comparison, Ireland's top university is Trinity, which is only 81st world wide nowadays, with UCD next and is ranked only 171 worldwide.

    So at least UK universities still are not giving off a Third World Vibe, the subject of this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    So you have just moved to a rural town with less than 10% of the population of the city you lived in and you are wondering why there are less food banks? duh

    just check out people like the Muslim sisters or Eire, or Crosscare and see the work they are forced to do, or the number of food parcels and children's toys given out each year by the various Lions clubs.

    Out of curiosity, how many football matches have you been to in Ireland? have you watched Bohs play Rovers?

    enjoy your new home, but you have a very rude awakening. I just hope it doesn't come in the form of waiting four hours for an ambulance to drive from Waterford, or having to join the 28 people who spent the night on a hospital trolley in Kerry last night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I lived in a town. The city was made up of six towns. I wouldn't begin to know how many food banks were in the city as a total. I would guess scores.

    If I was better off in the UK, I could be there tomorrow. I would have every right as a UK citizen to take up where I left off.

    We had loads of charities in the UK also, but there is a considerable difference between giving to help people have an improvement to their life and giving to keep them alive. Maybe you don't have benefits withdrawn from people here as a "punishment", but it's common in the UK

    When were UNICEF last in Ireland feeding Irish children?

    UNICEF tend to be more active collecting in Ireland :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    No offence to Stoke, but by UK standards it is s a pretty poor city economically.

    You are right that there is greater poverty there than we would see anywhere in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    Crosscare (who are heavily fnded by the EU) and the MSOE aren't giving out food to give people a leg up, they are trying to help them live. Take a stroll around Dublin, Cork or Limerick any evening and you will see the food banks, soup kitchens etc all in action.

    Are you seriously trying to suggest that the UK doesn't help UNICEF? the biggest contributor after the US?

    We get it, you hated living in England and you need to justify moving to Ireland (and to a rural backwater no less) that's fair enough, but you are in for a rude awakening. Just wait until you have to throw yourself at the mercy of the HSE, then you will really be wishing you were back enjoying the luxuries of the NHS.

    By the way, watch yourself in Tralee. This is the town where it is perfectly acceptable for a local councillor to beat up someone for being English and not have to resign their seat despite being convicted of assault and where a lot of the locals will queue up to shake hands with a convicted rapist before they are sent to jail. But what would expect from a town where the local GAA club is named after a white supremicist.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    Where the coucillor beat someone up was in Kenmare. The people that shook the hand of the rapist were from Listowel. As for the gaa club I don't think the people that play for them or follow them are racists. Tralee in general is one of the more open-minded places in Kerry.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just wait until you have to throw yourself at the mercy of the HSE, then you will really be wishing you were back enjoying the luxuries of the NHS.

    As someone with long term health issues and who has spent time in public hospitals, I'm curious as to what exactly you are referring to because it really does sound like the usual uninformed crap that choosed a few outlier cases to try and make it sound like you know what you're talking about!



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I don't live in Limerick, Cork or Dublin. I'm relating what my experiences are here with those in the UK. UNICEF feeding Britain's jkids has been general knowledge though since some English footballer campaigned for free school meals.

    My experience of the NHS was trying for over a week to phone my UK doctor. I didn't even get as far as an appointment offer. All I got was the usual pre recorded garbage about emergencies and different advice numbers.

    I can see a doctor here the following day for a none urgent appointment.

    I don't need to justify moving here. I worked all over the world and there were several places I would be happier than in England. In actual fact post Brexit if I didn't have the right to Irish citizenship I would probably have gone to Scotland. The only place on the planet I was racially abused for being English incidentally.

    You seem to paint a bleak picture of Ireland. I have yet to find a downside other than the reluctance to state prices for goods. The inability to see what you have to pay before nominating an article and the need I am told to mention a third party to get a favourable deal is something I detest. Apart from that everything is grand!

    The Tories would be right chuffed if they had someone with your skills to welcome the migrants as they approached England's coast, have you thought of applying? :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    @Slightly Kwackers

    My experience of the NHS was trying for over a week to phone my UK doctor. I didn't even get as far as an appointment offer. All I got was the usual pre recorded garbage about emergencies and different advice numbers.

    When I did my back in earlier this year (visiting Howth with a heavy backpack was not a good idea) the NHS physio told me point-blank that practice policy is not to book appointments for people unless they had been in pain for at least three weeks. And this was one of the "better" NHS trusts.

    To be fair in all my time in Dublin I had health insurance so can't really compare the HSE and NHS..



  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭goodlad_ourvlad


    I don't know why everyone tries to ring their doctors on the NHS... give them a go, and if it they don't answer first time, go through 111.

    Did that this eve for the youngest who hasn't been great for a few days.... no response from the GP, rang 111 this afternoon and had an out of hours appointment this eve.

    I have a non urgent appointment in process with the GP... filled out an e-consult, told I would have a response by tomorrow with an appointment in a 2 week timeframe, can't really complain with that.

    Meanwhile, in IE, I have 2 relations, one waiting on a referral for a back injury which may cause permanent damage (already been to the physio and had an MRI), but because they weren't referred the "right" way, they have to go through the lot again. They were told if they lose sensation in their legs or lose control of bowel movements, they are to go to A&E immediately...

    Other is still to be assessed for an injury keeping them off work... if they stay public, first consultation is 4-5 months away, if they pay to go private they were told 2-3 weeks ...

    it's not all rosy on either side



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    This seems logical. I don't know if the "system" was used for me, but having back problems myself I was on increasing levels of painkillers/ anti-inflammatories before being referred. It would be about four weeks.

    It seems logical to do things that way, I didn't find the physio that beneficial anyway.

    That was a few years back when the NHS had a few bob.





  • The risks of poverty and social exclusion in Ireland are broadly in line with Central European countries : https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_poverty_and_social_exclusion&oldid=584082

    UK stats are no longer received by Eurostat, so it's quite hard to get an objective read on anything anymore (which is probably the intention.)

    However, the stats were almost identical for both countries in 2016-17: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:People_AROPE_2019_2.png

    Ireland's were reducing, largely due to coming out of the economic crisis.

    The UK's are likely to have worsened since then, due to direct policy measures taken by the current and previous Tory governments, which have genuinely sliced and diced the social welfare system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Unflushable Turd


    When you start throwing around baseless as hominem it shows how much shite you are spouting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I really don't think the media paints a rosey picture of how hard things are here. We are well informed of how people are struggling to put food on the table, pay bills, rent/mortgages, put kids through third level education, put up with a dysfunctional health system, crime, drugs etc.

    But we aren't pretending we live in the world's fifth richest and thriving economy (as if that means anything, was 4th a few years back, had an Empire 60 years ago), and Brexit made us stronger, Cruella Braverman coming out with stuff that just 10 years ago, would have been treated as downright hate speech.

    I mean this is a government that thought painting cartoons in an asylum kids was too left wing and touchy feely, and anything bright and colourful to make a kid smile was dangerous, and should be removed. They are the type of psychopathic ministers that are in that government. Show a bit of common decency and respect for kids in an asylum centre, and actually act like the world's 5th largest economy.

    Do people think Boris, Liz Truss, Cruella, Patel and the rest, actually believe any of the shyte that comes out of their mouths?

    If I thought they actually believed it, I'd have a little respect for them. Most of them were remainers who are coming out with the most vile shyte to appeal to UKIPers.

    F*cking absolute charlatans. Little Donald Trumpers.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Baseless?

    Isn't "as hominem" as baseless as it gets? It seems baseless in every possible interpretation.


    My happy smiley face was obviously lost on you.

    I leave you to your misery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    As for that dangerous clown Boris, I'd forgotten some of the Covid stuff. Didn't go to any Cobra meetings about Covid for 2 months then, the day after he attends his first one, goes into a hospital and shakes hands with infected patients and then tells the world everything is fine, I shook people's hands, everybody else do it.

    We can't tell people to stay at home, the British love their freedom too much. Cummings following their own Covid models, because we know more than every other country in the world. That delay in lockdown cost thousands of lives.

    Same moron editing blogs after he was caught driving to test his eyes in Durham. Trying to say he warned about Covid way back. A dangerous know it all bastard.

    Using charts in the briefings at the start of Covid to show how great Britain is doing, then ditching them when they started catching up with Spain and Italy.

    Every f*cking statement has to include world leading. Tell you what, never mind world leading, just have a basic level of competence and listen to advisors who know what they are talking about.

    Drafting up plans to send refugees to South Georgia and paint over cartoons on walls of child refugee centres. Just solve the immigration problem that you've failed to do for the last 13 years and stop wasting time on shyte that everybody knows will never, ever get implemented because it's crazy, batshit stuff.

    That's just off the top of my head stuff. Our shower mostly listened to the experts. They f*cked up on nursing homes and trying to keep the country open for Christmas that time, but they got most things right because they listened to experts. That inaction cost hundreds of lives though. Just multiply that by 10 to get the level of incompetence in Boris's government.

    Too much time spent on slogans and clapping for the NHS, and wasting time doing Brexit preparations that could have been spent elsewhere.

    I forgot, everybody is sick of experts. That Gove clown is largely responsible for that school buildings mess, private sector knows best. Another mess was the Covid tracking and tracing system.

    That's only a few things under Boris. Then Liz Truss. I don't what words you use to describe that imbecile.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Boris was at least half right about COVID

    We could have carried on

    The cancellation of the Birmingham Manchester HS2 is an embarrassment, i see they're even selling the properties on the route



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Exactly. The UK handled Covid much better than us. We even shut down OUTDOOR construction workers for a long time in 2020, and now wonder why our construction industry is such a mess, from the lack of housing, lack of skilled trades to the National Childrens Hospital fiasco.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Incidentally, do not forget, when the world was on its knees, the U K government formed a COVID‑19 vaccine task force in April 2020 to stimulate local efforts for accelerated development of a vaccine through collaborations between industries, universities, and government agencies. The UK's Vaccine Taskforce contributed to every phase of development, from research to manufacturing. No surprise in December 2020 the UK was the first country in the world with a vaccine.

    Not bad for a country with strong third world vibes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Boris never got anything half right in his life, if he did it was by pure accident.

    When he did up 2 letters on Brexit, 1 supporting Remain, the other Brexit, he got that half right purely by accident.

    He famously said he'd stand in front of the bulldozers for the new runway at Heathrow, then f*cked off abroad when the vote came up in the Commons. What I didn't know is he did up 2 letters again at the planning stage. 1 he gave to the groups supporting the runway, the other to groups opposing it. When it got to the planning hearing everybody was looking at each other going wtf? So he got that half right.

    When he decided to stand down from the leadership contest in 16, he got that half right too, should have left it that and he'd have got it completely right.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    UK is a world leader in this area if I recall correctly



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    To get a bunch of uneducated muppets to vote for self harm needs faith. Experts are not really that much into relying on faith.

    Like the US, the Tories are using the union flag as a brand, as a motivator for the hard of thinking. The republicans and Tories are equally enthusiastic for stirring up hate against their own citizens if they are unable to contribute and take part in this drive for "growth".

    A funny kind of patriotism methinks, that excludes an increasingly large number of Americans and Brit's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,202 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The lurch towards right wing populism by the Tories and their numerous press pals has been a strange sight to behold. Even the Conservative Party of Thatcher and Major wasn't a particular racist or reactionary one and they would probably have recoiled at the language of Braverman & Co. It's not something that anyone would have anticipated even a decade ago, that by 2023 the Tories and their right wing press cronies would be retreating into racism and bigotry against numerous minorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx



    This is what I find quite sad about the whole situation in the UK.

    Forgetting about some their really mediocre retail companies like Tesco and Currys, some of their companies (niche software, engineering, etc.,) are absolutely world-class. A lot of their science research is also world-class. There is an agility there that you just don't get with continental organisations.

    All of these have been stymied by the decisions of an older / retired demographic and a few elites. Very sad.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭swampgas


    The UK is giving off corrupt, Bolsanaro/Trump/Erdogan/Berlusconi vibes. There isn't much corruption by international standards in the lives of most ordinary people, but at government level ... wow. Over the last dozen or so years the Tories have been robbing the country blind with corrupt payments to cronies, messing with elections (voter ID), and stuffing the House of Lords with very dodgy people. And getting away with it. They still have the backing of much of the press, itself massively corrupt, and also a completely biased GB News, as part of their Americanisation of their political campaigning. Given another term in office they would probably (definitely!) continue making it harder and harder for anyone to beat them fairly in an election. I wouldn't put it past them to consider some sort of emergency powers / martial law to stay in power, not something I would have said ten years ago.

    So no, not a "third world" country as that term is often understood - but definitely heading towards banana republic status in terms of how it is governed.



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