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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It's not just O'Keefe that got an exit package, Coveney did too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Why should he get an exit package, was he fired from his position? Did he get severance? If he resigned would he have any entitlements? He'd still have his pension.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    All I know is Coveney got a pay off. I don't know much more than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah, that is what I am hearing too. I assume this means he was fired and got severance. Also hearing O'Leary was given something. These are not resignations.

    This would have been my press release : -

    Ms. O'Leary and Mr. Coveney have been retained as staff purely because we'd have to pay them severance and we are unwilling to do that.


    Ms. O'Leary will take on the interim role of Senior Executive for the Distribution of Beachwear in the Wardrobe Department, until her retirement. We wish her well in her retirement.


    Mr Coveney is now Senior Executive for the Protection of noncritical Intellectual Property and Assets. His office is close to the storage area for set for the Toy Show the Musical, his role will be to make sure no one ever uses it or sees it again. We wish him the best in his new role, there is always a door open to him, we wish him well on finding the door and closing it on the way out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I am attending an event later today and part of the show will be about RTE, so anyone attending can expect more revelations about this and more.

    The event I mention is




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Would it be worth it? I was up in Dublin on Tuesday.

    I listen to their RTÉ podcast and to me it was the same old same old.

    I am grateful that Sit down and be counted was published to Amazon but its not the be all and end all. I felt is was 3 RTÉ producers complaining about their own mistreatment from Politics, management and from the public.

    The on the one hand bemoan the commercial side of RTÉ and then state we are too small to find good people to go on the TV.

    In the podcast they basically give RTÉ an excuse for their mismanagement of the company and that excuse is the wining and dining of advertisers and the commercial arm of RTÉ along with the lack of funding coming from the license fee.

    IMO both of these things are just signs of how RTÉ are unable to run an organization rather than a cause of the problems that the face.

    Geraldine O'Leary basically stated that if she had not done what she did RTÉ would not have to the sponsorship that they receive, while Dee Forbes continually said the license fee was broken.

    This is just people agreeing with the incompentance at RTÉ.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It’s going to be well worth it. One of the guys behind tortoise shack is the guy who broke the RTE and bogus payments. This is going to cost RTE a lot of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Do you have a link with any of the speakers? and topics to be discussed?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Two of the speakers are well known ex RTE employees but no names mentioned. Aoife Grace Moore and also Emmet Kirwan are speaking. That’s all I know bar what the link I sent you said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Dee Frobes and Breada O'Keffee 😂

    I am not convinced about going.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    That’s fine. I can fill you in later with a brief synopsis of what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,976 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You do not think that these guys just resign. It's usually a negotiated settlement, minimum wound be the outstanding part of the contract. If it was a recurring contract ( where it was rolled over a number of times) then a decent redundancy payment will come into play.

    Nobody walks away from jobs like this just because of public opinion

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The event was great, and the two ex RTE employees at the event were Keith Walsh ex 2FM breakfast show jock and Angie Mezzetti ex RTE newsreader.

    RTE is seriously fucked, they have already settled 2 or 3 bogus employment claims for €1.8M with many more to come on top of the fines they will have to pay plus they owe banks between €80-€90M.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The employment issue is going way back in RTÉ, this is why I don't really under stand why Eiemer Cusack is still on the leadship team, she'd been in and out of the oirechtas to say she was working on a range of employment issues within RTÉ, which still exists, she is either actively working on this issue, on top of the bogus pay, but their should be at this stage some clear outcome or mission statement from RTÉ at this point.

    Questions I would have asked Angie Mazzetti (I'd know her more as a former Continuity announcer, but later on she did news bulletins). What was her pay? What kind of holidays did she have while in RTÉ? and in other words why do RTÉ take a holiday in June, July and August.

    For Keith Walsh .... Where you a contractor or an employee? What is his view on 2FM and where it is going? and Does he thinks it deserves the licence fee? What was his contract like and what kind of money was he getting?

    I can't image any one in RTÉ or outside of RTÉ explaining the good side of the employment contracts at the broadcaster.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There's a Late Late Show country music special next week. But I thought RTÉ was moving on from the Tubs era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It'll be pre-recorded too. As part of PK's contract with RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,364 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    That was mentioned as part of his contract- when the whole Noel Kelly/ RTE payments scandal was revealed. Kielty revealed his contract, his salary, and that 3 shows would be pre-recorded, and that he'd be doing 3 less shows than Tubridy.

    I can't find the article, but I'm sure you'll find it with a bit of googling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,976 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The show for at Christmas show ( not the toy show) is going to be pre recorded as well I think

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I'd say they are slightly worried about audience numbers, they reason they introduced these specials.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I miss certain posters on this thread that have disappeared after years of arguing that we need to take a look at what we really want from Public Service Broadcasting.

    Have they been scuppered, they've not commented on RTÉ in either the new thread or this.

    Surely we now know that RTÉ is rotten to the core and its time for it to be split up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Dee Forbes 2024 Strategy still going through the motions AERTEL to finish on 12th Oct 2023.

    So this was the revised stragey so expect or don't the other changes : -

    Evolve

    • We will move RTE's biggest sporting moments to RTE One
    • We will increase investment in live TV moments and big events (e.g. RTE on Climate, Late Late Show Specials)
    • We will launch a kids on-demand and digital strategy
    • We will evolve the user experience of many of our digital services through mandatory sign in and personalisation

    Enhance

    • We will enhance our content offering or, RTE Player, with longer windows, improving and investing in the technology, features and functionality
    • We will develop our live and on-demand RTE Player product, building towards a more integrated service offering video and audio
    • We will create new visualized radio studios
    • We will deliver podcasts for a wide variety tastes and interests
    • We will offer new RTE experiences and events - music, sport, lifestyle, culture, politics
    • We will increase the hours of quality Irish drama

    Modify

    • The RTE Guide is for sale
    • RTE will close its current studio in Limerick in 2020; production of RTE lyric- fm will move to Cork and Dublin
    • RTE will continue to provide a mid-west news service in Limerick
    • We will close the digital Audio Broadcast network, as well as RTE's digital radio(RTE 2XM, RTE Pulse, RTE Gold, RTEjr Radio & RTE Radio 1 Extra)
    • RTE Aertel will cease
    • The RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra will transfer to The National Concert Hall
    • We will develop a new integrated media centre in Donnybrook , investing in new digital infrastructure

    Reduce

    • We need to reduce projected costs by 60 million over three years (2020-2023).
    • in addition to the reduction of 23% delivered between 2008 and 2018
    • We need to reduce the foes paid to our top contracted on-air personalities , by15%, in addition, to the 30+% cuts as agreed in previous years
    • We need to reduce staff costs we will consult with staff and unions 011 a number of initiatives, to including pay freeze, tiered pay reductions, review of benefits, and work practice reforms
    • The Executive Board will take a 10% reduction in pay; the Board of RTE will waive its fees
    • We need to achieve a staff headcount reduction of c. 200 in 2020

    of the 22 I have bolded those that they achieved, you will note the last one was temporary.

    This was published in 2019 of the 5 they achieved, 2 required government action AERTEL and the NSO, and one has been reversed. That's the second last one on the list.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Just managementspeak from a bunch of overpaid mediocrities. Had RTE been properly run most of them would not have been in their jobs and certainly not at the salaries they were given.

    Didn't Forbes cut kids broadcasting?

    As for RTE Player, that's got to be a joke, right?

    Anyone looked at the GDPR ramifications of this: "We will evolve the user experience of many of our digital services through mandatory sign in and personalisation"?

    Forbes doesn't seem to have been a success. Without the licence fee and repeated bailouts, RTE would not have survived. Now, it wants a 56 million Euro bailout to keep on failing.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Didn't Forbes cut kids broadcasting?

    She could always argue her predecessors cut children's programming in 2016, though she continued in 2017.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Ah no he's still around alright. Kept the head down for 10 weeks or so but has reemerged and is popping up in all the old places...Radio/TV where RTE and everyone that appears on RTE are fantastic - Avoids this and the RT thread though, too much 'blood in the water' to join in here. Thing is, we were all guessing (educated and ultimately vindicated) at the state of the place, but they were so much closer to the action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Funny the day before all this happened I posted to see, how people on the fence or in defense of RTÉ felt about Dee Forbes tenure as she leaves. It's a pity I didn't post it a week sooner, but sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    So SF have finally come to heed my wisdom

    I reckon this will nudge the government to get their own plans into gear, as kicking the issue into the long grass yet again will surely lead to the adoption of this model, which M Martin in particular seems dead against, if SF are leading the next government




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    SF don't give a shoite as long as it's popular.

    Thankfully MM is more responsible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    If they cannot be sustainable through the licence fee then they should not be in existence - they have a budget set by the licence fee and other commercial avenues but they still continue to spend beyond their income and have for years now and go to the government with a begging bowl.

    This should have been stopped years ago - any bailout is an approval of them doing no wrong. This isn't the HSE etc where money has to be provided else the sh*t hits the fan, this is a non essential service that is sucking the blood from the public



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Is direct exchequer funding guaranteed to be popular?

    Seems to me the purely populist move is to keep their heads down until the government announces its plan then absolutely hammer it without specifying what they would do instead...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,564 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    SF are waiting in the not-so-long-now grass to give RTE a good kicking over perceived slights going back decades even to the Section 31 days (as if RTE could choose whether to obey the law or not) so for me this is the same as the Tories in the UK talking about abolishing the licence fee there

    We can and do all complain about RTE (same as they do in the UK about the BBC) but public sector broadcasting is an essential part of a developed democracy and society, it can't have the government of the day dangling a sword of Damocles over it if it broadcasts something it doesn't like.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't see direct exchequer funding as a mechanism for 'giving RTE a kicking'. Seems to me it would bolster pubic service broadcasting more than any of the other proposed funding models.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,564 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Depends entirely on the funding level which they can change on a whim and/or hold conditional to certain rocks not being looked under.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But presumably an SF-led government would be increasing public spending left, right and centre. If they were carrying on like that with RTe it would stick out like a sore thumb and make it blatantly obvious what they were up to.

    Anyway any funding model for RTE would ultimately be under the control of the government of the day. If SF wanted to undermine RTE they could just as easily use the licence fee for that purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    If it is direct exchequer funding the organization need to be disbanded and split. Just handing RTÉ with or without conditions is irresponsible. With conditions will they meet them? and for how long?

    Television moves to FÍS ÉIREANN | SCREEN IRELAND

    FÍS 1 (RTÉ ONE)

    FÍS 2 (RTÉ2)

    FÍS Player (Replacing RTÉ Player)

    FÍS 1 +1

    FÍS 2 +1

    Radio with 2RN (Networks and Studios)

    2RN (replacing RTÉ Radio 1)

    2FM

    2OR (Replacing RTÉ Gold)

    2XM

    2PL (Replacing RTÉ Pulse)

    2CAST (Replacing RTÉ Radio Player and Podcasting)

    Radio and television with TG4 (Along with TG4, TG4 +1 and CULA4)

    4JR (RTÉjr | English Language Children's TV from TG4)


    RG4 (replacing RTÉ RnaG)

    CULA4jr (Replacing RTÉ Radio Jr mix of Irish and English)

    Radio RiRa (Replacing RTÉ Chill)

    Radio with National Concert Hall (Concert Orchestra moves to the NCH also)

    Lyric (Replacing RTÉ Lyric FM)

    Lyric Stream (A streaming service for the NCH and Orchestras)

    Radio and Television with NMN (Nuacht na Mean | Media News providing news to FÍS, TG4 and Lyric)

    NMN (replacing the RTÉ News Channel, News from FÍS and TG4, with a mix of European International news programming)


    300NMN Radio (Replacing RTÉ R1 Extra, News from 2RN, RG4 and Lyric, with a mix of European International news programming)


    NMN NOW (access to all NMN news and pod casts across online via the app etc)

    Remove Government interference. The Funding comes from an extra tax on all telecommunciation usage, you have a broadband bill, Mobile Bill, Apple +, Now TV etc you see an extra charge CnaM Culture Fund. It is set by the CnaM and ComReg, the charge would be tiny across all bills and would also be applied to businesses who would not be able to claim it back. This would reduce the burden for all users.

    Initial total value of €300m.

    Total market revenue for q2 2023 is 910,000,000 meaning 8% CnaM Tax on just telecommunications, excludes subscriptions to online services such as netflix so you could bring this down further. Also CnaM may decide just 200m.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The problem with taxing telecommunications is that many people pay multiple bills. Why should I have to pay for a shower of incomptent and wasteful gits in RTE management that continually lose money when I already pay for Netflix and other services? Would it bother anyone to see the commercial arm of RTE spun out with these people having to survive in the real world with salaries set at fair market value? As for Tubridy, the payments should be recovered from the salaries, pay-offs and pensions of those involved in that mess. Ditto for Toy Show The Musical. The PAC and Media Committee also need to compel Forbes and Jennings to appear.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There is no continuity announcer giving programme-specific introductions on RTÉ One this evening - it's just "This is RTÉ One".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Is Dee still sick? Is she in a coma or intensive care? Wish i could get a sick cert for 4 months and counting...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Don't think she needs a cert when she has no job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,976 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No need to reinvent the wheel. TV licience, any inhabited dwelling has to pay it. Revenue collect similar to property tax except they collect it from the house residents

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    An independent broadcaster is important for debate and investigation they say.

    Independent radio and TV does a similar or better job than RTE at the moment in fairness, Radio1 is an amateur mess. But I suppose there's a stalwart in RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    RTE have been reliant on independent media for all their "breaking" investigations. Nothing like the UK channels who actually break stories - think of all the stuff Prime Time has covered - all broken by other newspapers or private individuals then poached by RTE for the story - Tuam babies, greyhound racing, the list goes on - not one story actually broken by RTE which should be part of their remit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭jmcc



    A public service broadcaster rather than an independent broadcaster. There is a difference. The public service broadcaster would concentrate mainly on news, investigation and culture with the commerical part of RTE (light entertainment etc) being spun out into a commerical company. The problem for a lot of RTE employees is that the commercial company would not be funded by the state or licence fee and that would mean job cuts and reduced salaries. They'd have to survive in the real world outside of Montrose.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,462 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They have a remit to produce Irish programmes as well as current affairs. A lot of it is an Irish version of a franchise and flogged to death on repeats though,along with bargain basement imported stuff.

    They could certainly be more imaginative with their bought in programmes, particularly on RTE2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I did split RTÉ up completely for you, regardless of how RTÉ is funded the company needs to be split up as suggested.

    I agree I don't believe you need to change how the fund is funded, to be honest An Post should be asked why the cannot collect. Even if we just decided that An Post would collect the fee and you'd have to pay it regardless of what "Telecommunications equipment you own", An Post would still not be able to collect it.

    I don't think they are, I think politicians like to say that they do, there are certain aspects of RTÉ I don't understand (that I outline regularly) ... but Indo broadcasts have largely just done what their license says. Many of the Locals have a semi-monopoly in their areas for advertising, while you have to pay for death notices (one of their so called PSB). An hour of chat, local news bulletins during the day, national centralised bulletins at night (from Newstalk).

    While not necessarily applicable to Radio, VMTV really don't provide any of the commercial part of RTÉ on any regular basis.

    I think we are all getting into the idea that Independent Broadcasting in Ireland is wonderful, when clearly this is not the case.

    I'd argue that Ireland has never really had a great/innovative broadcasting sector. Either Public or Commercial.

    Two areas they need to examine, RTÉ2 and programming outside sport (note RTÉ2 has no News and Current Affairs anymore) and then their spending on aquired programming which sits at 20 to 25m (something the DG didn't know, I met him I said it to him and he poo poo'd the idea, you don't want to poo poo and Idea with me, I know people who poo poo'd poo poo :) )


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,564 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think the humane thing to do with RTE2 now would be to just put it out of its misery. It's an embarrassment. The only thing it has going for it is live sport and RTE want to move that to RTE1...!

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But they also want their Executives to take a 10% pay cut 😂


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The way that the incompetent management killed off DAB was extremely stupid because it removed a lot of options as regards radio.

    I don't disagree with breaking up RTE but the problem is that Ireland is a very small market in terms of media and a lot of the problems that RTE faces with radio are the product of the FF gombeenarchy and its destruction of the radio market in the 1980s. Even in the 1980s, small towns were supporting two or three radio stations. If the TV market had also been opened up, it might have been better. Successive governments have basically skewed the media market for the benefit of RTE.

    The weakness of the RTE Player is another problem that has come back to bite RTE. RTE has a major back catalogue of content that could be made available with a well designed player. At this stage, outsourcing it to Youtube might be the only way to get something as well designed as Channel 4's player.

    I like the rebrand ideas but 2FM should be spun out as it is really just a Dublin station and has been for decades. If it really is a "yoof" orientated station, a move online might be a better option. It think that there have been at least two failed political parties called Fis Nua.

    The 2RN rebrand part is good but 2RN (RTE Networks) is critical national infrastructure and the Eircom mistake must not be repeated. Unfortunately, Martin is completely out of her depth in dealing with RTE.

    Regards...jmcc



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