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Celtic Symphony: Ireland v Scotland. 8pm Saturday 07th Oct. Paris. RWC 23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    With whom would you replace Henshaw?

    Exactly. Let him stay, rehab him, reassess after the QF.



  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭thehairygrape


    To paraphrase a Scot called Fergie at half time vs Spurs: lads it’s Scotland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    English arrogance is historically based on ignorance of their opposition, being unaware of their form, star players, the way their clubs are playing and presuming themselves superior by right of being English and with no actual logic behind it.

    I haven't seen anything like from Irish fans. We're very familiar with Scotland since we play them every year and compete against them in the URC. Our record is overwhelmingly positive against them at any level and there's nothing in recent form to suggest we shouldn't be heavy favourites for this. It's completely logical and not at all arrogant to believe Ireland are very likely to win.

    If Scotland have the game of their lives and win then well done to them, but it'll be a shock upset if they do.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jude Brief Zoo


    If we lose to Scotland the IRFU should be disbanded and rugby abolished in Ireland.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Meh, I don't think so.

    Bookies have it at 20% but I think that's too high.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    This is just some bogeyman cliché of English fans. I've never encountered anyone with this attitude in real life.

    Being confident before the game is to be expected but the absolute sneering attitude toward Scotland is pretty tasteless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    First score in this game is important. Score first and I think we will be comfortable. If not then there's scope for this to turn messy.

    Scotland going for a 6-2 split is interesting. They obviously feel they were beaten up front last time and are looking to try and get as close to parity as possible.

    I'd love if we were in a position to be able to take Sexton, Porter and Ringrose off after 50mins. Could be all the difference the following week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Delighted for Big Stu.I think it will be close. We win by a score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,198 ✭✭✭✭Crash




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Seen it before and it still has an SA twang to me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't even have a deck.. Hopefully on the rugby forum no one will judge me on the size of my deck or whether I even have one🙁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Is that dutch ?

    I think JVDF grandparents were dutch?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Ireland 35 Scotland 16



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080



    Some Stats. I have heard from various podcasts.

    Scotland have lost 8 in a row against Ireland.

    202pts. v 88pts.

    24 Irish Trys v 8 Scots. Trys.

    Average score of 25/11. (To Ireland).

    No disrespect to Scotland but if they can knock us out , we'd be spared a battering by N.Z. in a Q/F. ( i.e. lose to Scotland , we'd have had no chance v. N.Z.)I think we can beat both.

    Ireland by two scores at least. If Scotland upset the apple cart , I will shout for them for the rest of the tourney! Still, Ireland by at least two scores, I.M.O.

    Post edited by Lucy8080 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ireland to win by at least 2 tries with 5 HIAs and at least 2 yellow cards against the scots



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭TheRona


    That's not how rugby works. A team playing well or poorly one week doesn't guarantee the same the following week.

    NZ hammered Ireland in the last world Cup, and got destroyed by England the following week.

    That said, Ireland will win easily tomorrow.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That's not how rugby works. A team playing well or poorly one week doesn't guarantee the same the following week.

    You could apply that to basically any sport, which is why upsets happen. But its also actually quite rare in rugby. I would say it goes with form the vast majority of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭TheRona


    I was referring more to the point that if Ireland lost to Scotland, they'd be sparing themselves a hammering by NZ. That's not true at all.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,999 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If Ireland lost to the Scots they wouldn't be playing NZ anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,281 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    England in turn, got absolutely mullered v South Africa. SA, for their troubles, were beaten by NZ in the group.

    Can be a funny game and best team doesn't always win.

    NZ were comfortably best team in many world cups and didn't win them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Not good - I'm overly confidend - and you know what happens - My firrst world cup memory awakens, Calder talking out Staples in '91 and Scotland beating a good Irish team, before heartache against Aus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    I'm still not feeling all this we will win easily, its a one off game , Scotland have more than a punchers chance. They are a good team. I think we will win but not a given at all.

    I'm surprised (and happy from Irish perspective)with Scottish backrow though. Its hard running ,but nothing Ireland can't handle ,but most importantly I don't see breakdown threat from them, delighted with no Watson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Yeah, that's obvious. It's all hypothetical.

    If Ireland were to lose to Scotland, it would be an outlier, and you would expect them to revert to their usual standards the week after. Unfortunately, once the pools are over (or indeed sometimes in the pools), you don't get that chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I genuinely can't understand not playing Watson if he's able to play. Ferocious player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Has to be an injury otherwise very strange, he would at a minimum be on Irish bench



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    Another + for Ireland. Can't understand that one myself but I'll take it all day long. It's natural to have a few nerves, this is basically a knock-out game, but any neutral would back Ireland by 3-4 scores (for value) rather than the 2 scores the bookies have us at!

    I believe that Ireland will beat Scotland in the forwards, maybe a couple of push over/rolling maul tries that will make the game look as it was always within our gift at any stage.

    There is admirable talent in the Scottish backs, their forwards ,I believe , cannot live with Irelands. Obviously, when the whistle blows on Saturday Night , my confidence today will go out the window and I will be a bag of nerves!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    The only nerves I’m going to have is watching Sexton, Porter and Ringrose.

    They get injured and we loose to NZ.

    Ireland 23 - 7 Scotland

    At halftime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Not to mention the “mana” they bring to the Irish side…

    Edit: And tell the lads to give it heaps.

    Post edited by swiwi_ on


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    He's just not the player he was. He had a concussion issue at the start of the year but was back for Edinburgh before the 6N and Scotland left him out of their 23 entirely for the first couple of games. They started him in the final game against Italy but took him off early.

    Crosbie and Darge are younger, bigger players who cover more positions and are ahead of Watson now, it seems. Watson is 32 next week so I'd say his time with Scotland is starting to come to an end.

    I don't think Watson would have made the Irish 33 let alone the bench.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I actually think that line-out is worse with Henderson included but hopefully the Scots can't take advantage. Barring 2 yellows or a red I just can't see us getting beaten, best scenario is if we are 15 points or more ahead with 20 mins to go and offload the bench fully



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I've little issue with Henderson starting. He deserves it after his SA cameo. Ryan hasn't reached the levels yet that he had for the previous 12 months and missed training during the week. Absolutely makes sense to roll with the man in form who has been running the line out.

    I do reckon Ryan will have an impact though. He has been an absolute thorn in Scotland's side whenever they've faced one another particularly at line out time where he stole the ball for fun in Murrayfield this season. He seems to have the measure entirely of the Gray brothers picking them apart for Glasgow/Exeter in the past too.

    I've little doubt Henderson will turn in a solid performance. His 25 minutes against SA was the best showing of any Irish lock this tournament given the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,281 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I think James Ryan is very over rated as to his importance to Ireland. I like him, but I don't rate him any higher than any of our other starting forwards. He is in the mix for sure but not above any of the others. But appreciate that we are in a very privileged position to be able to say that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Tadhg Beirne is incredulous at this comment.

    We'll I'm incredulous at this comment for him!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Hoenstly, I think/hope there's a lot more to come from Beirne. Has had some lovely moments particularly in the first two games but he looked very tired in those last 20 against SA and was hanging in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Was so tired he couldn't even carry the ball....!

    Joking aside, it's been a long time since I've seen him blown out of a ruck the way Kwagga Smith did to him when we were turned over on their 22 or the missed tackle on Snyman for the break. Top class operator but Henderson was so effective in all aspects when he came on (sloppy penalty concession aside).




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    He was wrecked alright....but you can’t discount the situation (Smith & 4 other forwards were already off the bench in that example) and that was before Hendo was even sprung from the bench. He put in a huge shift.

    The only fresh SA forward that came on after Henderson was the TH and ‘Hooker’.

    Henderson deserves a start and Beirne deserves a rest. Surprised they didn’t start Ryan and bring McCarthy onto the bench in a game where Scotland are going to be mauled (literally) to pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭tomred1


    Are we showing the Scots too much respect ? Any injury to Sexton, Ringrose and Porter and we're fecked against NZ. We should be ale to beat the Scots without these lads.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,999 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i think "Never give a sucker an even break" applies here.

    we're better off starting these guys and making sure we are in a position to bring them off early enough.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I'd have hoped we'd have learned our lesson after Japan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Lads! It will be a close game. A score in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Shehal


    So you're saying Scotland are going to be as competitive against Ireland as South Africa were?

    This idea of this being a "one score game" isn't supported by any recent evidence, everything points to this being a 2 score game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Idk what lesson we would have taken from Japan that would say we need to rest our big players during the pool stage...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    That’s exactly Paul’s point, no? That we shouldn’t rest our big players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Shehal


    But we haven't rested our big players so his point is wrong isnt it?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I was replying to tomred1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Farrell wasn't a great selector in his first couple of years. Consistency of selection & the complex nature of their game has been the hallmark of this sides rise to No.1 in the world.

    I do think he has made an error in selection for this game but its very hard to argue against picking the best possible 23!

    Farrell is infallible right now. I trust him...but not quite the full 100% trust!! I just cant bring myself to believe that Ireland can make it to a final and win it with the first XV having played in every game.


    Porter and Ringrose had to start this game. Even without Sexton, Beirne and POM Ireland would win this easing up.

    Ireland aren't just going to win this game, they are going to smash Scotland.

    They will capitulate once Ireland get 7 points ahead.

    Hopefully that's in the first 20-25mins. We need ALL of the big guns to take down NZ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Subscribers Posts: 41,999 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    No, that not what he said.

    his point is correct, and is in agreement with your point.


    we rested big players against Japan and lost. it was suggested that we should rest big players against scotland with the QFs in view.

    Paul pointed to the Japan game as to why thats a bad idea



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,999 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    In the pool stage ireland will have used every player bar Jimmy O Brien so far???

    We havent used the 1st XV in every game. When you've only 33 in the squad that means that you use 70% of your squad in every game.

    We have Jack Conan now coming back to match fitness, and we have iain henderson at his best physical condition in years. We're in a very good place.

    the whole point of the irish player welfare system is designed for this.

    Im not in the least bit worried about starting our best available players.



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